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From NBCNews[^]
The recall was first announced in mid-February when GM said the ignition switches on nearly 800,000 vehicles could inadvertently turn off while being driven, stalling the engine and disabling power steering and brakes, and disabling the vehicle airbag system.
I heard the switch costs 59 cents and the problem could definitely cause an accident.
!bVagadishnu
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Apparently only if excessive stuff is hung off the key. Is that normal use?
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
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Munchies_Matt wrote: excessive stuff
Depends on what you call excessive.
I have a Swiss army knife like this one clickety[^] on my key ring and it caused me no problems turning the car off.
I drive a Toyota.
You can go sleep at home tonight if you can get up and walk away
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Ferd Really wrote: Depends on what you call excessive.
80000 of these switches out there, 300 dead.
I would say that the average person clearly didn't hang too much, so clearly the 300 that died did.
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
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Since you assume
Munchies_Matt wrote: so clearly the 300 that died did
then there must be more of these people who
Munchies_Matt wrote: hang too much
that drive other model cars and they didn't die because of a faulty switch.
You can go sleep at home tonight if you can get up and walk away
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Whats the mandated resistance to turning of an ignition switch?
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
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Interesting that Guberment sold last of it's share just about 4 months ago, then a suite is filed, was it a government agency that filed suite?
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Insider trading anyone...
Its a joke isn't it.
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
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Munchies_Matt wrote: Now, question, is it mandatory for a manufacturer to fit air bags in their cars
I believe it should be mandatory for them to work if they are fitted.
The problem is that the car can switch off mid drive, which of course also shuts off power steering, power assisted brakes and ABS at the same time as well as the air bags.
And the amount of power assist nowadays is so much that people believes the steering has jammed and the brakes don't work. So they crash.
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Read this: http://www.codeproject.com/Lounge.aspx?msg=4797055#xx4797055xx[^]
They did work, its just that people hung so much junk off the ignition key it turned it off, locking the wheel, losing power tp the brakes, and turning off airbags.
Yet I don't see them being sued for defective brakes or steering. Obviously its the users who are at fault.
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
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Yes, I've read about it, but that's apparently not always the case, I'll post a link if I can find it back.
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I think that if you supply safety equipment that is supposed to reduce the harm caused in a bad situation, and your equipment is defective so that it doesn't do that, then yes, you are in part responsible for that harm.
GM aren't the only responsible party here – a vehicle crash is caused by human error or some other component failure, not an airbag failing to inflate. However, someone dying because they were in a situation for which their safety equipment was designed, but it didn't work, wouldn't have died if that equipment wasn't broken. So almost all of those 300 were killed by a combination of whatever caused the accident in the first place, and GM's airbags not working.
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BobJanova wrote: you are in part responsible for that harm
Yeah, this is my position too.
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
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I would like to see the stats on how many of the fatalities also did not have their seat belt on (depended on their air bags only). We see it all the time out here (nearly daily in Phoenix), children and adults thrown out of the car in accidents, their siblings who were wearing their belts survived. Note that here is the law, you have to use your seat belt and can be ticketed by the police fo not doing so, the ticket is far less of a cost than the death or serious injury in case of an accident.
Dave.
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I was specifically referring to the current GM fatalities, not general statistics. OBTW, in my car (SUV) everyone is belted. Haven't needed them, thank goodness.
Dave.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: their goods didn't act as advertised.
One could state that, and one would be wrong. The product should at least do what it was designed for. And no, it's not the airbag-manufacturer that sold the car; the customer does not deal with subcontractors.
Hehe, imagine a parachute or a nuke "not working as advertised". Due to a subcontractors fault 
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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300 is a big number, I saw 13 in some articles.
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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Who in their right mind would buy an American car?
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I am renting an Impala LT at the moment, and its got a hell of an engine. They used to be crap, but they aren't these days. Last time I had a Cruze, it too was a very good car. Quick enough, good handling, economical. THe lead we had in Europe has been eroded.
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Message Closed
modified 9-Apr-14 11:45am.
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When are Americans going to learn that guns are bad and as long as they are legal things like this are always going to happen.....wait a minute did you say stabbing?
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When are Americans going to learn praying doesn't work. It is Facebook Likes or Twitter Retweets that save people.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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chriselst wrote: Facebook Likes or Twitter Retweets that save people
How 
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Not had many likes before have you?
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