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Dan Sutton wrote: I love it! That happens to me with C++ -- not to mention...
I read that as "That happens to me with C plus plus minus minus".
I had a brief near heart attack wondering what horrible new extension the C++ committee was foisting on us this time...
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I guess SQL Express doesn't come with Integration Services (SSIS)? I'm starting to use SSIS for my ETL projects - it's pretty well featured and there's a lit of examples, samples, and help out there.
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Personally, I'm heading away from SSIS in favor of Powershell for increased flexibility and vastly increased debugging transparency.
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I got $20 for signing up for a 1 month Azure trial - that's what.
It was my Birthday (no, don't apologise for forgetting, they forgot at work too) on Sunday, so it was a nice pressie too.
Happy Birthday to meeeeee
MVVM # - I did it My Way
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Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011
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Happy birthday, Maxxx! Nice pressie, but it would take far more than $20 to get me to try Azure. It would cost even more to get me to actually use it.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Happy birthday, glad someone manged to stump up something for you!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Hi,
Happy Birthday _maxxx_ 
With friendly greetings, 
Eric Goedhart
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Happy Birthday, _Maxxx_ !
Here, in northern Thailand, your US $20 would buy you about 16.5 liters of fresh-made-every-day soy-milk. Or, 20 bowls of fresh wittayu noodle-soup from street vendors, or 20 dishes of fried-rice (your choice of fish, shrimp, chicken, pork, vegetarian, etc.), also "from the street."
yours, Bill
“Human beings do not live in the objective world alone, nor alone in the world of social activity as ordinarily understood, but are very much at the mercy of the particular language which has become the medium of expression for their society. It is quite an illusion to imagine that one adjusts to reality essentially without the use of language and that language is merely an incidental means of solving specific problems of communication or reflection." Edward Sapir, 1929
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Thanks, Bill
I think I may have preferred the fired rice to the somewhat plastic birthday cake I got at work today!
MVVM # - I did it My Way
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Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011
.\\axxx
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... in the quicksand of MVVM!
Back from vacation... and moved into UI. Now things have become different. MVVM is the way.
Previously, we used bizzare patterns... seemed a lot like MVC. But now MVVM eats our head. How to implement and what to write... we are just out of ideas. 
I read lot of MVVM articles on MSDN and CP, but yet I can't figure that out properly.
Any books?
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Books? Just print my articles out and staple them together
MVVM # - I did it My Way
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Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011
.\\axxx
(That's an 'M')
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Yours was the first ones that I read
Good ones
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Amitosh Swain wrote: Yours was the first ones that I read
eek! hope that's not why you are drowning 
MVVM # - I did it My Way
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Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011
.\\axxx
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_Maxxx_ wrote: eek! hope that's not why you are drowning
Was about to drown... but didn't. Barely stayed afloat 
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MVVM is crap.
I had a small app done the "oldfashioned" way (all code in a heep in the forms file), that I wanted to update and implement in MVVM. So I spent a full day (8 hours) rewriting it to MVVM, just to find out that there were a lot of things that didn't work properly with MVVM events and timing.
So I spent another full day trying to figure out the problems. In the end, I gave up and spent 30 minutes" converting it BACK to non-MVVM (no, I don't have source control on that project, it's not THAT important).
Says a lot that it takes 16 hours to write do an app in MVVM that takes 30 minutes to do non-MVVM.
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
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I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability!
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So let's get this straight - you expected to be able to convert an app using a technology pattern / methodology you didn't know in a few hours?
This is what gives all sorts of good practices a bad name!
Learn stuff FIRST and THEN put it into practice!
if you understood MVVM before you started then you would have been aware of potential issues and they wouldn't have arisen - as it is you've wasted your time by not being prepared for the job.
MVVM # - I did it My Way
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Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011
.\\axxx
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_Maxxx_ wrote: if you understood MVVM before you started then you would have been aware of
potential issues and they wouldn't have arisen - as it is you've wasted your
time by not being prepared for the job.
I did and that's what let me keep my fingers off MVVM
Sent from my BatComputer via HAL 9000 and M5
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That's fine - any pattern will be good for some and not good for others - but I do strongly object to those with a little knowledge slagging things off because they don't know better.
I've seen many people get hacked off with MVVM with WPF because of the "no code behind" rule - which (now listen up people) DOES NOT EXIST.
Code behind IS FINE as long as it is to do with the View and not the business model.
MVVM # - I did it My Way
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Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011
.\\axxx
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I love a bit of mvvm and wpf. I picked it up resonably quickly and I've been a linux programmer for almost 10 years!
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You're the Guru here... Should go into the programming forums but...
I'm tired of making a viewmodel. I don't know what to do, especially when there is a listbox and usercontrols, datatemplates etc. blah blah blah!.
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My advice is to remember that WPF and MVVM are different - using WPF you need to learn how to use WPF - & I'd learn that first without MVVM if you're new.
Then learn MVVM in small steps -
I have found that WPF and all the bizarre ways people have of using it is far harder than MVVM itself.
Just don't make the mistake of trying to do everything in Xaml when three lines of code behind will do the job!
MVVM # - I did it My Way
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Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011
.\\axxx
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I did learn WPF last time... Still though I have a small guide book, in case I forget. I'm quite clear with Binding,Events commands etc. But the challenge (for me and others) is, the Viewmodel. Especially, in this case where we have a datatemplate to display a model inside a listbox.
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Johnny J. wrote: What gives you the idea that I didn't know it?
well, you took 8 hours rewriting it and then found out there were "a lot of things that didn't work properly with MVVM events and timings"
I assumed (evidently incorrectly) that, had you known MVVM you would have been aware of any such problems, and not rewritten the application to not work.
I honestly don't follow! You are saying you know MVVM, you rewrote an application in it and it didn't work, and you're blaming MVVM? Are you saying MVVM patter n is incapable of being used for your particular app?
You also say "Says a lot that it takes 16 hours to write do an app in MVVM that takes 30 minutes to do non-MVVM."
That indicates to me that this is an extremely small program - if it only takes 30 minutes to write.
so, it took 30 minutes to write in winforms, but took 16 hours to fail to write in MVVM
This indicated to me that you din't know MVVM - certainly not well.
A bad workman always blames his tools - and it seemed to me that this was one of those cases. I apologise if this isn't the case - as you seem not to be saying that you know MVVM but it is somehow so hard to use that it takes more than 30 times as long to write a program in MVVM than in Winforms. This is patently not the general case.
Of course, maybe the program you were writing was not suited to the MVVm pattern - but again, if that was the case and you knew MVVM, then surely you wouldn't have tried?
Johnny J. wrote: I've done MVVM programming on other apps, but not this one
This puzzles me - if you know MVVM, and think it is so crap, why in hell did you want to rewrite this tiny winform app in MVVM in the first place?
Johnny J. wrote: So please don't make assumptions you don't know anything about,
well, all I knew about it was what I gleaned from your anti-MVVM rage which suggested that you either didn't know MVVM or were just completely crap at it - I assumed the former as I didn't want to give offence.
Johnny J. wrote: and get your facts straight before you attack someone!
Again, I apologise if my facts were wrong - it appears that you are just saying that you are incapable of converting a simple Winforms app that you can write in 30 minutes into MVVM, even though you know the technology?
it just doesn't add up!
MVVM # - I did it My Way
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Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011
.\\axxx
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