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2-Dec-13 7:08

A mummy covered in chocolate and nuts has been discovered in Egypt.

Archaeologists believe it may be Pharaoh Rocher.

Espen Harlinn
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Kenneth Haugland2-Dec-13 7:20

Kenneth Haugland

2-Dec-13 7:20

Dry, like the desert sand Laugh | :laugh:

Espen Harlinn2-Dec-13 7:27

2-Dec-13 7:27

Kenneth Haugland wrote:
Dry, like the desert sand

I guess that's a fair description Wink | ;)

Espen Harlinn
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Mike Hankey2-Dec-13 7:41

Mike Hankey

2-Dec-13 7:41

I'll take 4 wrap em up! Smile | :)

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Ravi Bhavnani2-Dec-13 8:19

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2-Dec-13 8:19

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Septimus Hedgehog3-Dec-13 1:01

Septimus Hedgehog

3-Dec-13 1:01

Bravo!

If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.

Is it just me?

R. Giskard Reventlov2-Dec-13 4:54

R. Giskard Reventlov

2-Dec-13 4:54

Probably is me; usually is. But I digress.

My point is that I've been "getting into" MVC using VS2013 (which I find excellent). Seems pretty cool; bit quirky compared to WebForms but I get it and I kinda like it. Nothing too complex yet but I like that I can fire up a new project and pretty much everything I need is already done for me. Neat.

The thing that makes me say "is it just me" is that it looks and feels a lot like Classic or Ladies ASP.

Just an observation. Smile | :)

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DeathByChocolate2-Dec-13 5:10

DeathByChocolate

2-Dec-13 5:10

mark merrens wrote:
is that it looks and feels a lot like ... Ladies ASP.

It looks and feels like a ladies asp, does it? ... you may need to get out more! Wink | ;)

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SoMad2-Dec-13 6:04

SoMad

2-Dec-13 6:04

You should have tagged this with GAOD (Good Advice...) Big Grin | :-D

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Espen Harlinn2-Dec-13 6:51

2-Dec-13 6:51

ohhh, wicked Laugh | :laugh:

Rich Chocolate Cake[^], looks like something for the lady ....

Espen Harlinn
Principal Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services AS

Projects promoting programming in "natural language" are intrinsically doomed to fail. Edsger W.Dijkstra

DeathByChocolate2-Dec-13 7:26

DeathByChocolate

2-Dec-13 7:26

Thar looks so yummy!

"State acheived after eating too many chocolate-covered coconut bars - bountiful"
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Espen Harlinn2-Dec-13 7:29

2-Dec-13 7:29

DeathByChocolate wrote:
looks so yummy!

Agreed, I think I'll make one next weekend ...

Espen Harlinn
Principal Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services AS

Projects promoting programming in "natural language" are intrinsically doomed to fail. Edsger W.Dijkstra

User 48350472-Dec-13 5:38

User 4835047

2-Dec-13 5:38

MVC started to make sense to me when I abandoned the notion of a "web page".

MVC is used best when you switch entirely to AJAX pumping Json server side and processing it with various Javascript frameworks client side.

but maybe that's just me.

modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.

_Maxxx_2-Dec-13 9:29

_Maxxx_

2-Dec-13 9:29

im not top familiar with mvc asp, but what is the advantage of using it (over vanilla html and web services) in this way?

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User 48350472-Dec-13 10:04

User 4835047

2-Dec-13 10:04

Well, after you try to cut though all the hype, what remains is the promise of better automated testing, better separation of layers (which you can do with a good web form architecture too), no ViewState, which is supposed to be very bad, but can be turned off anyway.

In the end if this is what the customers want and offer good money/jobs, you gotta go with the flow.

(Edit)

BTW there is a very neat way to bypass the whole ORM crap if you want. Developed a simple library, that enables you to use SQL/stored procs in very familiar way and pass the DataTables directly as JSON to the client JavaScript and in the JavaScript they behave exactly like the serialized object lists that get generated by the Entity Framework. Very neat actually. Will try to push the bosses for the next production project in that direction Smile | :)

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_Maxxx_2-Dec-13 11:59

_Maxxx_

2-Dec-13 11:59

Sitalkes wrote:
better automated testing,

Yeah - testing is something I need to get my head around with the Javascript side of things - testing of Web Services is all reasonably simple but I'm unfamiliar with automated JS testing.

Separation of layers - while MVC does that well, I think a simple web service as a layer, JS view model as a layer and HTML5 view as a layer is about as separate as you can get.

Viewstate - yeah - always tended to turn it off anyway!

Sitalkes wrote:
BTW there is a very neat way to bypass the whole ORM crap if you want.

I want!

Sitalkes wrote:
enables you to use SQL/stored procs in very familiar way and pass the DataTables directly as JSON

DataTables in their entirety, or just the data therefrom? I'd normally use DataReader to populate POCOs and JSONify them - but would think about a library to go from DataReader straight to JSON...

Sitalkes wrote:
Will try to push the bosses for the next production project in that direction

... and write a CP article?

Sitalkes wrote:
you gotta go with the flow.

Yeah - I'm just trying to go with the next flow - I believe that vanilla HTML / Javascript / Ajax with JSON web services is the way to go - I just don't understand where ASP.NET WebForms or MVC comes into the equation (I'm thinking not at all)

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User 48350472-Dec-13 15:50

User 4835047

2-Dec-13 15:50

DataTables in their entirety, or just the data therefrom? I'd normally use DataReader to populate POCOs and JSONify them - but would think about a library to go from DataReader straight to JSON...

Nope, a part of it you can take from right here in CodeProject.

DataTable To JSon[^]

^ Not my article

Edit: actually the trick is NOT to go the whole way to string Smile | :)

But to pass to the View the list of Dictionaries. MVC is internally using then the System.Web.Script.Serialization.JavaScriptSerializer();

Smile | :)

modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.

Andy Brummer2-Dec-13 6:30

Andy Brummer

2-Dec-13 6:30

I agree, but only because it's designed to write applications that serve web pages, instead of hide all that silly html and server stuff from you so you don't have to bother learning any of it.

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