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As usual, it is a question of compromise. Some things are useful when standard (copy&paste or zooming keyboard shortcuts, for instance), some others are not (windows placement, for instance).
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I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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Rage wrote: copy&paste, menus, toolbars, or zooming keyboard shortcuts, for instance
You missed a bit.
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The pattern is that it takes MS about two attempts at anything new to make it useful, three to get it right. I think the one-OS thing is the correct way forward, just MS should have managed the transition from away from the "start" button a bit better/more gradually and allow a more "flavoured" UI specialising more in desktop or touch. The thing that has annoyed me most is the way MS has digged it's heels in, "we've done it this way because it's better, so we're going to ignore your feedback" seems to have been the response. I'm surprised MS hasn't learned from the Vista experience, where they were told a decent OS was being ruined by the security guff, when it went to market uptake was relatively bad because no-one wanted to authorise a program every time they used it. Eventually we got Windows 7 out of that, so hopefully when Windows 9 (or whatever) arrives it'll similarly be what Windows 8 should have been.
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Keith Barrow wrote: hopefully when Windows 9 (or whatever) arrives it'll similarly be what Windows 8 should have been
I'm actually holding off buying a new PC and laptop until I see what they do.
If it doesn't improve by a lot, I'm going with Linux.
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Me too, I'm not paying MS's R&D costs again, like I did with Vista only to have to buy Windows 7 later.
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Keith Barrow wrote: The thing that has annoyed me most is the way MS has digged it's heels in, "we've done it this way because it's better, so we're going to ignore your feedback" seems to have been the response.
It's odd that this is pretty much the exact opposite of what happened with the Xbox One. They tried to change the way that some fundamental console gaming things worked and people freaked out, so they changed it.
I, for one, was all for the changes that they were going to make because the features that were being introduced outweighed the things being sacrificed IMHO, but unfortunately, the majority of people did not agree with me... 
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Keith Barrow wrote: I think the one-OS thing is the correct way forward, just MS should have managed
the transition from away from the "start" button a bit better/more gradually and
allow a more "flavoured" UI specialising more in desktop or touch.
I'd argue that they moved in this direction even with Win 7. A whole slew of OS customisation options were suddenly very much harder to find - making the masses more likely to stick with the defaults, with Windows the way MS thinks it should look...
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If you look around, can see that people do not buy what they need. They look for the latest and greatest...
The One Windows should enable Microsoft to lock customers in (at least that what they learned from Apple success)...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is (V).
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If MS pushes ahead with the "everything through our equivalent of itunes" thing, they'll lose me to the arms of Linux.
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In a way, I feel that this direction was chosen way back when the launched Win95. There is no reason, except for having stupid ops, for having a shiny UI on a server. Have the OS run the show and stick a UI on top; rather than making the UI party of the OS.
While we're at it, can we have all "my [insert hardware/software preference] rocks and your's sucks" lined up against a wall and shot? I don't like Apple [tried it, didn't like it], M$ is getting on my moobs but still works and everytime I try and move to Ubunto I get lost and have a hissy fit. They're all good for somethings and do Paris impressions with others. Right tool for the job is my motto.
speramus in juniperus
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: While we're at it, can we have all "my [insert hardware/software preference] rocks and your's sucks" lined up against a wall and shot?
Damned straight.
Having a preference is fine, but they all work, and other people are allowed to have preferences, too*.
* Unless they prefer iOS, of course.
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Yup.
The solution to an inferior operating system is to put a shell around it.
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I totally agree, there is no one OS that will serve every purpose although I do believe they can all play well together.
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Mike Hankey wrote: I do believe they can all play well together
They can play well with each other, too. My home network has six different OSes involved in it, and I happily shunt files around between them, in very not-difficult-technical-stuff ways -- the most difficult operation technically is connecting progs on iOS through itunes.
If that's not proof enough that they don't all have to be the same, then I don't know what is.
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Yes they can all network together but wouldn't it be great if you wrote an app and it would run on any platform, without a lot of BS?
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Granted, and I would like to be all-Windows again, just for that reason, but they appear to be doing everything they can to push me away from that.
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MS has there own agenda, they want to push us in a certain direction thinking it is for our own good without our input. Like most big businesses the bottom line has become more important than innovation.
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The thing is they could give each one it own interface and keep the same underlying code base. They just won't do it.
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I have been saying since Win 8 first came out (I saw the early pre-release) how utterly stupid it looked.
This is NOT an interface conducive to enterprise applications. It's poorly thought up and shows all of us that Microsoft learned NOTHING from the Vista fiasco.
The flat, 2D, pastel view of 'tiles' and 'charms' ('charms', really???) is just plain stupid.
I have bought a laptop and a PC since Win 8 came out and I brought them home and replaced them both with Win 7. I refuse to use it.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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Agreed - big mistake. 
/ravi
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Thought I would share[^]
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Obscurum per obscurius.
Ad astra per alas porci.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur .
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I assumed they would be overlooking this.[^]
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger.
English doesn't borrow from other languages.
English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
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or Welsh Parliment [^]
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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Surprisingly unrocked by corruption allegations. There are four possibilities as far as I can see:
1) They aren't "proper" politicians. If true, this would upset them.
2) They are too stupid to work out how to build a trough and get their noses into it.
3) Nobody is offering them bribes to do things, because they can't actually do anything anyway.
4) There isn't enough money in the country for them to get at.
I suspect all of the above are true...
There is always the option that they are Honest and Clean Politicians - but even my keyboard rebelled when trying to type that... 
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger.
English doesn't borrow from other languages.
English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
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