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I just happened to be thinking about the books yesterday, and I was wondering...what are the odds GRRM will actually manage to write the last of the series?
I looked into it, and apparently he's got ~75% of the 6th book done, and the 7th will be just a big. And it's been years been #5 and 6.
At this point this has got to be a worse job than being the Queen King. People will not let him retire...
Maybe if he didn't let himself get involved in these side-projects like that second TV series...
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I couldn't cope with the GOT books - I slogged through the first two, maybe three and gave up. For me, this was a rare case when the TV series was better than the books.
Personally, I wish Patrick Rothfuss would finish the third book in the The Kingkiller Chronicles. Now that's torturous, it's been years since book #2.
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Don’t read the Wheel of Time series then… 
I remember reading one of them (@ roughly 1000 pages) and realizing at the end that every major character was still in the same situation as they were at the beginning. Sadly the TV series is pretty lame…
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What would happen if you pasted ChatGPT's own code into it? 
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Actually, a complier is complete when it finally compiles itself. Before that a "helper" language is used. I think for Rust, C++ has been used until it was able to compile itself.
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jschell wrote: Makes me wonder what would happen if you attempted to paste a million line application into ChatGPT.
It'd pass it off as it's own work and give it to the next homework question asker. 
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jschell wrote: Makes me wonder what would happen if you attempted to paste a million line application into ChatGPT.
"I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that"
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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So Improve means "condense it down" or "add back a line deliberately commented out".
I feel like all this "pass it through GPT" is leading everyone in circles. It's absolutely doing a fantastic job of taking text (prose, code, whatever) and producing a version that best matches its training data and bias. It spits out great looking text and generates code that is either the most commonly found code for this text prompt, or the code it was trained to produce. This will just get better and better.
But it is still about "most likely". Not "actually correct" and so we generate this great looking code and then spend all this time running around debugging and correcting.
Definitely good to start from something that's well structured and fix that, but let's put this in perspective. (and saying that, the fact it can even do this is mind blowing at a conceptual level, but disarmingly trivial at the mathematical level if you're OK with thinking trillion-parameter simultaneous equations are trivial. All in all a proper mind-bend).
cheers
Chris Maunder
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I'd agree - but I don't think our jobs / whole profession is at risk yet.
It is likely affecting this site though: QA is well down on student question numbers, and that's probably them plagiarising ChatGPT code ...
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OriginalGriff wrote: plagiarising ChatGPT code
but is it really plagiarizing? I don't think so. Unless we are now saying that ChatGPT is a sentient being.
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My definition of plagiarism is pretty simple: if you didn't write it, it's not original to you, and that's plagiarism unless you provide adequate references to the original source.
Which you definitely don't do when you are too lazy to do your own homework. 
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Quote: unless you provide adequate references to the original source.
And the original source of something that ChatGPT generates is what? It is not ChatGPT...
I hope we can agree that ChatGPT is not capable of any kind of thinking, and I imagine that in the near future we will have a number of similar solutions that generate contents that will be published on the net somewhere. My guess is that these solutions will start to learn from each other, and there will probably be some really weird results.
Espen Harlinn
Chief Architect - Seasurveillance AS
The competent programmer is fully aware of the strictly limited size of his own skull; therefore he approaches the programming task in full humility, and among other things he avoids clever tricks like the plague.Edsger W.Dijkstra
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I didn't write the designer code that Visual Studio generates behind my C# forms. But does anyone doubt that I own the copyright to it?
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Richard Andrew x64 wrote: But does anyone doubt that I own the copyright to it?
Well, Microsoft might. I'd read that license very carefully...
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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Until it can do a cost-benefit analysis, it may well write great code but may still be solving the wrong problem.
I'm curious if it is of the "put as much as you can into one SQL statement" school of thought.
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Ooohhhh the SQL I've been writing lately...
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I've been using ChatGPT to help me learn how to write Chrome extensions. Just ask it to do what I want, then take the code and work out what it does. Useful way of learning. This could be used to learn anything, working out where it is wrong is part of the learning.
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It couldn't tell me how to order regiments in a brigade if they were of different sizes. In real life, they are not all 10 companies of 100 each; all the time. Especially during war.
It will tell me everything else I already know.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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Chris Maunder wrote: But it is still about "most likely". Not "actually correct" and so we generate this great looking code and then spend all this time running around debugging and correcting.
I think that most people that know how to debug properly are not going to get ChatGPT code for production.
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If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
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