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Marc Clifton wrote: Which, in some circles, when done with as much consciousness as can be mustered, is called Goethean Conversation
Interesting!
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@marc_clifton The link to the Spock article in your blog post seems broken: here's the source (?): [^]. Note: this site, and Spock, are associated with, and promote, the esoteric anthroposophy of Rudolf Steiner, the roots of which include some of the most far-out occultists of the modern era (Annie Besant, Madame Blavatsky).
The school of psychotherapy I once trained in, and was licensed to practice (Moreno's psychodrama), was based on belief that the personality, and behavior, of people was modulated by interaction of internal roles, as well as by group dynamics, and the formal constraints of the context/environment.
cheers, Bill
«One day it will have to be officially admitted that what we have christened reality is an even greater illusion than the world of dreams.» Salvador Dali
modified 28-Jan-20 14:37pm.
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We had better hallucinogens (Sandoz) in the 1960's, but, no laptops to laugh at 
«One day it will have to be officially admitted that what we have christened reality is an even greater illusion than the world of dreams.» Salvador Dali
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With me the drugs help me stop seeing stuff
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"Being normal takes courage."
First of all, normal is default. Anyone can fall into it.
Second, what's outstanding about being normal? Is it really some kind of acheivement?
Is there any way to interpret this argument as something other than rationalizing never leaving one's comfort zone?
"It's brave to never branch out! It's brave to follow the crowd. War is peace. Ignorance is strength!"
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Quote: First of all, normal is default
Normal = Boring!
I pride myself: I am not "normal". What is normal anyway? Please tell me so I can avoid it. 
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I agree and have said before that normal is essentially a synonym for boring.
Normal never changed the world.
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Quote: Normal never changed the world
Correct! But let's not throw normal people under the bus. They are the laborers who bring in the farmer's crops, the teachers who teach your kids, etc. etc.
But the people who change the world: The Bill Gates, Bezos, Moore (of Intel), Einstein, these are not "normal" by any measure, are they?
Both these types of people play a vital role in making society what it is - not so? Let's spare a thought for both!
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Agreed.
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All the inventions in the entire history of the world are based on the genius of maybe fifty people.
The rest of us are, and always will be, cr@p, by comparison.
But much noisier.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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honey the codewitch wrote: Normal never changed the world.
Spot on.
Normal are the ones that keeps the society running.
But whenever there is a "catastrophy" happening, of whatever kind, it's the others that saves the day.
I saw a very interesting program on TV a while ago, where a psychologist explained why people with ADHD, bipolar disorder and so on, exists from an evolutionary perspective. It was in Swedish, otherwise I'd link it.
Apparently bipolars have the right mindset to become very productive programmers.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: Apparently bipolars have the right mindset to become very productive programmers.
I know my mania served me for years in the field (like most schizoaffective people I was bipolar first, probably since i was a teen but i hadn't been diagnosed - it wasn't as common to diagnose it back then)
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Hah! I am perfectly normal!
It's the rest of the population that aren't.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
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On the Internet, "normal" is avaricious, jealous, arrogant, self-absorbed, loud-mouthed, insensitive, childish, petty, and probably sorely lacking in attention to personal hygiene.
So I'll have to agree that it would take courage to go out into the real world, if you're that sh1tty a person.
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Fortunately I think most people don't behave on the internet how they would in polite company.
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Within how many standard deviations?
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Leave it to you to be difficult.
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At any given time, there will only be one person that is "normal", everyone else will fall on either side. And its a moving target.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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Gerry Schmitz wrote: there will only be be no more than one person that is "normal",
FTFY 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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What is normal?
Is it analogous to Average?
Then what makes average? Is it a mode, median, or the mean? Or is it that we are in a pre-defined range?
So... my NQ (Normally Quotient) is based on the deviance of others. yep
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honey the codewitch wrote: acheivement
Now that's definitely not normal.
/ravi
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The only problem about 'normal' that it changes its meaning over time and over place... When my mother refers to normal, she does not mean the same as me or you... So what is normal?
I'm living in a community with normal and different-from-normal people - the only real difference is that the later group has a doctor-signed certificate about it...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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I think that while it's true that what can specifically mean normal is culturally and temporally bound, the general meaning of normal, to wit, characterized by the behavior of most people most of the time isn't so much.
It all depends on how you use it.
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You have to differentiate between: Normal for the Family, the Community, the Society or the Species.
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absolutely, normal is one of the most context sensitive words i can think of.
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