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Things I trust to drive a car in descending order of trust
Me
AI
Women
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F-ES Sitecore wrote: Me
AI
Women
Anyone over 75 years old
Any male under 25 years old
Pedestrians I trust to behave in a predictable manner:
Me
Anyone who is not using a phone on the street
Senile, blind, drunk, and drugged people pushing zimmer frames
Anyone using a phone on the street
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: Pedestrians I trust to behave in a predictable manner:
Me
Anyone who is not using a phone on the street
Senile, blind, drunk, and drugged people pushing zimmer frames
Anyone using a phone on the street
Pedestrians I trust in the darkness of winter:
Me with free-hanging reflectors from both right and left pockets.
Anyone with free-hanging reflectors from both right and left pockets.
Anyone with reflector strips attached to their clothing.
Anyone carrying a lit flashlight/torch.
Anyone wearing a wristband with two tiny flashing LEDs.
Anyone without any sort of reflector or flashlight.
I can't possibly fathom how anyone who has been driving in a car, even as a passenger, in darkness along an unlit road would ever dare to walk it in the darkness without a reflector, in particular if there are no sidewalks. Yet it happens all the time (in spite of public campaigns every fall). To me, that is sort of a suicide attempt...
I wonder if these self-driving cars have been trained to recognize as a person a brigth flashing plastic tag, 10 cm across, easily noticed from 200 meters distance when the high beam of your car hits it.
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Mandatory xkcd which was proven in Iowa last week: xkcd: Voting Software[^]
Now imagine our actual lives depended on it... 
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Why are you asking me?
Ask my chauffeur.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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No, ![Elephant | [mastadon]](https://codeproject.freetls.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/elephant.gif) no.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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If all cars were suddenly self-driving, we might have a chance of making it work.
But as long as there's a mix of human drivers and self-driving cars on the same roads at the same time...the self-driving cars are in a difficult position to account for the stupidity of the human drivers.
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 This is my answer everytime I get asked the same.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I don't get asked. I just butt into these random discussions with my opinions. 
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I do get asked... (working for car related companies for a while)
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Anyone who wants an honest answer should be asking a software developer, not a car company.
(but then, if you work for one, you have the benefit of seeing it from both perspectives...and it sounds like you're agreeing with my response)
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dandy72 wrote: you have the benefit of seeing it from both perspectives...
Not only that... I have tested a lot of different cars and have been a lot of time on the road.
dandy72 wrote: .and it sounds like you're agreeing with my response)
I do. Although it has brought me a couple of discussions with co-workers just because I am realist and honest.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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not until all other cars are self driving cars.
I'd rather be phishing!
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Maybe if they carved slots in the roads.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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Gerry Schmitz wrote: Maybe if they carved slots in the roads.
Rails.
If that's what we were going for, it would mostly be a solved problem already.
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I had a "slot car" racing set I won from Kellogg's in a coloring contest. It still took skill to "keep it in the slot". Take the back pin out and you could do donuts.
Anyway, at some point, there had been a discussion about "burying things in the road"; i.e. virtual slots.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
modified 13-Feb-20 12:24pm.
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Gerry Schmitz wrote: Anyway, at some point, there had been a discussion about "burying things in the road"; i.e. virtual slots.
Elon's already taking it way deeper with his Boring Company. Given that he's also already working on self-driving cars, I'm sure he's got something in mind...
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I'm quite sure he's going for the Golgafrincham solution.
He will be sending all the people that buys his cars. Already sent one.
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My answer is not yet.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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My own response is emphatically "NO!"
First, I have never seen a truly bug free program, no matter what language, what system, or what technology was used in the development. Even the Boeing 737 had a bug in its ADAR that they couldn't find so the engineers developed code to catch when the bug occurred.
Second, Personal experience. I had a Ford F150 with EPAS (Electronic Power Assisted Steering or drive-by-wire) that rolled over on me when I dropped a wheel into the drainage ditch. The software thought the truck was skidding (or something) and took control of the steering. But the "corrective action" caused the truck to turtle.
Truck was considered totaled because the side airbags went off. Three weeks after I settled with the insurance company, I got an urgent recall notice from Ford to have the truck's software updated. (Truck was long gone by that time.)
I have tried power slides, drifting, etc, with my new truck and, after a few seconds, it just shuts down. The accelerator has about a 1-2 second lag from when I hit the gas until the engine responds. Can't do a burnout (Iwas told I can override traction control but I don't trust the truck enough to even try anymore.)
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I'm looking forward to seeing how a self driving car would cope with the residential roads in my home city of Portsmouth in the UK. Victorian/Edwardian roads, built before cars existed, require a mutually agreed "code of conduct" between drivers to stop a logjam forming in the single car width between the parked vehicles. You need to anticipate the actions and respond to signals (light flash/pulling over) over a distance of 100 yards or more to be able to negotiate the streets here. I can't see a self driving car being able to comprehend any of that. What I expect to see is it causing a multitude of traffic jams as it ignores Portsmouth road 'etiquette'.
See pic to get the idea of the issue.
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No - does that make me a control freak?
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For me, the questions is:
Would I trust me, if I trusted a self-driving car (to do my driving)?
That's a solid NO.
But then, I still prefer a stick-shift to an automatic gear-box.
Having done a decent bit of driving under many conditions has led me to provisionally trust me.
As long as I am really in control.
I manage to be self-critical, though perhaps not all of the time.
I have not noticed self-criticism as a subject in self-driving.
Then again, when I am (bi)cycling, I might statistically prefer self-driving cars as less dangerous.
So, yeah, that's a bit of "all other drivers (except a few) are bad drivers", which makes me suspicious again. Should I end with "clueless"? When I'm old perhaps?
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I just hope Audi, Mercedes and BMW hurry the hell up and start producing theirs - got to be better than some/most of the dorks who drive their cars at the moment
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