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Yup that is what I am gonna do, if I get in trouble I'm pointing them to you guys! 
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musefan wrote: Not really much more can be said after that.
If you say so...
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I think that's what I'm going to do. The awkward thing is I can see it being all hands on deck in a few weeks (certain people who should have signed something didn't  )
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I'd go with JSOP and record what you actually do. That way if someone higher up takes a close look the paperwork matches the actual hours and there is less chance of a problem.
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OK, Knowing the PM on this I will get it for doing that and then charging over time when it's applicable, I will also get it for doing the hours at a time when there is little to do. Damned if I do, Damned if I don't.
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Bucking the trend here, timesheets are one of the many psychological tools to own you. One of the only potential use is for billing on gov't projects if you're working on more than one. Otherwise, s*** the man - you're salaried, right? (Though if you can accrue overtime in the classic sense, maybe not?) If salaried, put down 8 hours, no matter what you do.
The irony to that is, that's exactly what I've been told by management -- the system (and managers) can't handle less than or more than 8.
If you're hourly, who the frack cares? You're getting paid for the work you do when you do it.
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The issue this project has is too many companies, we used to be able to do everything, now we have to outsource things. This was a case of small company being bought out by big company and not really understanding what we do (or did) and choosing to buy in stuff we used to make and letting the skills wither as 'it's cheaper to buy it' you now get to state we are in now, people should have signed off on a bit of large gadget. They didn't want to, before the figures were published for this year, now we have lost these widgets to somewhere in South America... and yes it's for a government project!
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Exactly, as long as the work gets done who cares.
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has development really changed that much since I've been gone? I never punched a clock at work the entire time i was in the field.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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Well I have always used if the work gets done all is good. However the attitude of those higher up is if the work is not done in regular chunks someone is being lazy...  (parent company does not do technology)
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ugh, i hate those situations. Parent companies make better customers than they do management.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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As someone who writes code for other people (now commercial, govt at a prior job); my bosses need a timesheet so they know how much to bill our customers.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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That makes sense. I did keep track of my hours when I was contracting, but i never kept track of times, just dates. Nobody ever asked for more than that from me.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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my time sheets have always been in the form of just a day/billing code grid with space for a free form comment. So Wednesday 5h on project A, 3h on project B. But not worked on A from 8-9:15, 10:40-11:20, 13:10-14:25, 14:30:16:20, and B from 9:15-10:40, 11:20-12:05, 13:05-13:10, 14:25-14:30, and 16:20-17:00. 
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Dan Neely wrote: my time sheets have always been in the form of just a day/billing code grid with space for a free form comment.
That's what I'm familiar with. =)
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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The joy of Government contracts being in chaos at the moment. As a company that used to do things who now rely on others, the worst part of it we have to account for every 15 minutes, so going over to the production and doing a quick test experiment to see if thing X does thing Y are a little hard to account for. We are run by accountants, I swear! I think the best comment was from the Drawing Office Manager "We were bought out by people that talk about work but don't do it'
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Ouch. We only had a 30m resolution at my last job and normally only track to that level at my new one which is coarse enough resolution that most nuisance items round down to 0 and we don't need to decide if a bathroom break should be charged to the project we wrapped up before getting up or the one started when we get back.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Now you have an answer to Bill Woodruff's question of what if you could time travel!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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If I could I wouldn't waste it on today, just interested to see what the opinion was.
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Stay and do the 8 hours. Don't submit false time sheets.
I always told them I had car trouble. I was late getting in it. 
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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Before we moved offices I could stay all night (I did once). Now I can't, the security Agents will terminate anyone on site after 6:00pm!
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Me too, took them 3 years to realise I didn't have a car! 
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I view the nominal forty hours per week as an average and certainly not a minimum. I may work 36 hours this week but I will work 44 or 50 hours per week soon enough. I really don't sweat it and neither do "they" as long as things get done in a timely fashion. The good thing is we are our own customer - all our work is done for internal use. That has its bad aspects but they are minimal compared to the benefits.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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So we're doing this learning event called "Developing Chatbots 101" for students and newbie developers and I wanted to make the event more interesting and engaging.
Previously, we've been doing Kahoot (A quiz game) for many events but that's kinda old and boring now.
One thing that I thought of was to use color charts and pictures, divide the audience in small group and ask them to assemble the workflow of Chatbots using those pictures and chart. Well, my fellow speakers disagree with me thinking that'll be a total waste of time 
So I need some expert advice. What do you guys think would be a good activity during the technical sessions? 
P.S. There's a presentation planned for introductory purposes and later we also have a hands-on demo. The activity was supposed to be in between the two mentioned above.
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Comic books. Superman, Batman, Spiderman.
Or show episodes of "The Expanse".
Nothing to do with chatbots, but all pretty AWESOME.
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Never throw anything away, Griff
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