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CodeWraith wrote: Their stuff can't be so free or good that I would want it.
Can't be so bad if your target is Mono since it is, at its core (no pun intended) a replacement for .NET.
That's even worse than those who say they despise everything Microsoft, but create an email client that's designed to look exactly like Outlook.
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Anything, but I don't want to have anything to do with Mickeysoft anymore.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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So again, if that's truly the case, why are you trying to move code to a platform that is simply a re-implementation of a Microsoft technology?
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You can read the full version some posts further down.
Short version: Damage control. I have a ton of code that survived Microsoft's best efforts to make it useless. If they succeed, I will have to move on anyway, but why not at least try to salvage it if that is possible,
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Q: What's the difference between C++ and CodeWraith?
A: None, they both shoot themselves in the foot!  
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Yeah, gone are the days when I plucked targets out of the sky at 50km and thought that was an easy shot. 
But I was also not bad at all with the buzzsaw at 300 meters. 15 rounds in the belt, four targets hit, 8 holes in the inner circle, 7 holes in the outer circles, no misses.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Super Lloyd wrote: Visual Studio Community Edition is 100% free!
For teams of 5 or fewer.
/ravi
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So you count me as at least 6? I'm honored.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Have you looked at vscode?
It's not bad. Got a good collection of add-ons etc. Cross platform.
It's not a full blown IDE but enough of what's really needed is there.
edit:
I have briefly played with mono, it's not bad but some frustrating bugs and things still missing/kludgy/wysiwy-maybe-sometimes-sortof-g. [even though years old] feels like a beta package that needs a lot of work that probably won't happen for a very long time if ever.
(yes vscode also misses a lot compared to vs, but it never promised to be a full IDE.)
(and a few weeks back it got a new icon!)
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lopatir wrote: (and a few weeks back it got a new icon!)
A few weeks? It was nearly six months ago[^] now. 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Richard Deeming wrote: A few weeks? It was nearly six months ago[^] now.
6 months since the last icon! 6 months!!! microsoft you're letting us down!!
Please wait while VSCode is being uninstalled
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They could at least make it look slightly less like this[^].
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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lopatir wrote: Have you looked at vscode?
Really not an option. I don't want to deal with Mickeysoft anymore. If I can keep my .Net code, then it's fine, otherwise it's going to be good old C++ again. To bad that Bjarne also let me down again. Still no reflection in C++ and I have gotten a little too used to it.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Started working with VS Code just this week. Have been using VS2015 Community, which I like for .Net development. But right now I'm doing my first "real" php development and was missing interactive debugging (or even decent colour highlighting in php). Found VSCode does the highlighting "out of the box", and that installing XDebug was very straightforward (though I don't really understand php configuration) and now I have interactive debugging! Had tinkered with a trial copy of PHPStorm and found it very very slow, and flaky; IDE would crash unpredictably.
So pleased to find an easy-to-use free IDE for php... off-topic I know for CodeWraith's query but hey, we'd drifted onto VSCode...
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Hi,
I am currently doing a project where I am developing a project using Visual Studio 2017 Community Edition. The code is written and tested on a PC in VB.Net and ultimately needs to run on a Raspberry PI 3B with the latest version of Raspbian.
So far everything goes well: all of the stuff I have written: some TCP stuff, graphics etc... does work well, both on the PC and the PI.
Using mono to simply run the Generated Exe file and the associated DDL's on the Raspberry PI works smoothly, no problems until now.
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Seeing what kind of performance I would get on a Raspy would already be interesting enough, especially the graphics, which never were intended to run without a nice GForce chipset behind them.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Well, it does run a bit slower then what you get on a PC but all in all its OK and usable.
The graphics in themselves are nothing special: just a tabbed Windows form with some buttons/sliders etc... The amazing bit is that the windows Exe file and its DLL's runs so well on a Linux ARM based system. Who knows: If things keep going this way one day Linux and Windows may even decide to get married. 
One thing is for sure: a lot has happened since I started coding some 39 odd years ago on my Junior Computer ( Kim 1 clone )
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I still have mine. COSMAC Elf, 41 years ago.
I'm not really worried about the 3D rendering, but it would be neat if I could salvage my UI and actually get it running acceptably on a Pi.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Why not .NET to .NET Core/Standard?
They work on all platforms, but they're still owned by Microsoft and will be the future of .NET[^].
You can edit with Visual Studio Code on all platforms too.
I haven't ported any .NET Framework to Core/Standard myself, but since they're both Microsoft I can imagine it's less painful than porting to Mono.
Why not Visual Studio on Windows though?
The Community edition is free (for small teams and businesses) and has the same capabilities as VS Professional.
That sounds like it would be a painless transition and you wouldn't have to throw everything away...
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Why not? Because I'm done with Mickeysoft.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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I hear you there! I've been using Linux at home exclusively since 2007. Windows and Office are the two most troublesome technologies at Microsoft. Windows updates are an embarrassment compared to Linux. Office is just too big and unwieldly, resulting in lots of wasted time when something goes wrong. Visual Studio is starting to be that way too.
I still trust 2 groups at Microsoft to produce good work; .Net and Sql Server. I have used Mono back around 2010-2012 and it worked well for the daemon programming I was doing on Linux. For UI work, it was not so good, but I don't know anything about its capabilities today. Back in the day it was always way behind .Net framework.
Today, I use .Net Core at work (a Windows shop), and I wouldn't hesitate to use it at home as well (it's good). At work, I use a combination of Visual Studio and Visual Studio Code (Code is better at most web dev stuff than Visual Studio). At home, I rarely use .Net, but I still use Visual Studio Code as it's the best free option out there. For paid IDE, consider JetBrains Rider for C# and WebStorm for web work.
My current systems:
New System76 Gazelle laptop running Pop!_Os (pretty nice, but could use more battery)
Desktop running Ubuntu
rPi running either Raspian or Ubuntu Mate
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CodeWraith wrote: Visual Studio is out of the question
It shouldn't be. It has been the best IDE hands down for decades and best of all, it's free.
You gotta have a lot of blind hate to feel the way you do. 
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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No, not at all. They can do what they want, but I see no reason to stick around and watch. I think I'm better off without them.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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You're funny.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Good. In that case I still have the option to become a CodeCommedian. In that case I would need Mickeysoft again. They have become a never ending source of things to crack jokes about.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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