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Wow- The truth is out there!
Quote: 4. That most everything in a programming language that is designed to reduce verbosity at the cost of explicit expression of user intention and semantics will, on average and other things being roughly equal, make software less reliable.
Please could we have that posted on the wall of all rooms where the C++ ISO committee meets!
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Of course there are a lot of folks out there now who will argue to the death that this is outdated thinking. I wonder how many of them come from JavaScript or some such and have never written anything of significant size and supported it for many years?
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those out for a special meal tonight. 
Looking forward to march the 14th though... 
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It's not covered so much in my local supermarkets, I can tell you! 
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Then grab your spear and go hunting.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: those out for a special meal tonight.
I didn't quite read "meal" right the first time around.
Personally, Valentine's Day is a terrible day to go out to dinner. Did it once many years ago. Long lines, cold weather, crowded loud eating areas, disappointing food. Staying home and making a romantic "meal" is much more, well, romantic.
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Yes, it can be, but like xmas, it is a tradition I suppose.
Still, the girls like all that kind of thing, so worth the effort, which makes march the 14th a reciprocal gift.
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Me and the Mrs. are headed out to our favorite Mexi joint. Then to the grocery store bakery for Valentines cake stuffs. I was gonna make a chocolate heart cake but dropped the ball yesterday. 
I'm not sure what's gonna happen after all that.
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Had a pretty average meal out ourselves actually, but good fancy restaurants are thin on the ground round here, it is mostly honest pub food, fish pie, fish and chips, steaks. Traditional English food.
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Is a PDF file all about little kids?
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Nope, I'm not gonna take that jailbait!.
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In the lounge?
Dear oh god.
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Judging by some of the responses, you're creating quite a TIFF.
Sml kds mght lk .inf fils . . .
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Yah, well... Say what you want about pedophiles, but at least they drive slowly past schools...
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Exceedingly inappropriate and entirely wrong to be acceptable as being posted on anywhere within CodeProject.
I declare no "Thank You" whatsoever for your self-validating and making my childhood wherein I was raped by a pedophile as being deemed wholly my "fault".
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Valentine's Day - A 'Heart Attack' where pain is primarily felt in the wallet, and the paycheck initiates rigor morti$.
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don't worry, one day you will grow old and
1. have "trouble remembering dates"
2. have plenty of old stories of when 'she wasn't happy with what you got' so you're taking the safe option
3. not really give a sh*t because it's only retail hype
4. have a backache (women have headaches, men have backaches - because we do proper hard work.)
anyway if the above doesn't fully wash you can make up for it later ... when prices of respective gifts are more sane and/or restaurants aren't jammed up with long waiting queue's...
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Or plan ahead: buy it on the 15th and give it to her next year* ...
* Note that this is unlikely to work with Roses.
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Lopatir wrote: women have headaches, men have backaches - because we do proper hard work.
Hey - they'd argue that they use if for 'hard work', too . . . KSS unless you explain it to them . . .
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It's not a programming question 
Maybe someone's serial cable fu is better than mine. I'm looking for some practical insight on serial communications at the PC level. Older machines, larger boxes may still have built in com ports exposed at the back, but most of us are living in the land of usb to serial. For the sake of discussion, the ports in use are confirmed to have the same settings - 9600 baud, 8 bit, 1 stop bit, no handshake or anything else....
Living in the embedded world, we'll solder up a home made serial cable in a few minutes - DB9 to DB9 - connector pins 2-3, pin 5 for the ground (swapping pin 2 and 3 gives you a null modem cable). On the embedded hardware, this is typically all we need to do... but I'm finding PC level usage of this hand crafted cable problematic. If I take a typical null modem cable: 10 ft DB9 RS232 Serial Null Modem Cable | Null Modem Serial Cables | StarTech.com[^] everything works fine.
If I take my stripped down special, no communications. I've verified that both cables are wired the same - with the exception that the commercial product connects the other 6 pins according to standards. I've been told these other connections are not necessary, but said engineers are talking to embedded hardware not another PC.
Wondering if an CP folks have some practical scars and insights in this area that would shed some light on this behavior. I'm going to tell the customer to go buy a serial cable, but now I'm curious.
thanks
Charlie Gilley
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I agree completely. Some of the USB to serial adapters are dicey and of dubious quality. I pretty much stick with TrendNet devices. Not the cheapest, but they've never burned me yet.
Charlie Gilley
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"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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You might have a break in your cable. 
Have you a continuity tester? Check pin to pin for no resistance/breaks.
Your wiring is good, if you arent using CTS/RTS DTR/DSR framing, you only need ground and data rx/tx wired, in cross over, as you have done.
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Cable is good, already ohm'ed it out. You're repeating what I've been told, hence the mystery.
Charlie Gilley
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"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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