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0) I installed VMWare on my Windows 7 desktop and created a Win7 VM (just because it was convenient to do it that way, and I wanted to make sure I could use a couple of important Windows apps (VS2017 and DVDFab) without issue.
1) I then installed Linux Mint 19 on the box (on a different drive, just in case things went sideways). I'm entering this message from the Linux install.
2) I installed VMWare Player on the Linux install, but it refused to open the VM via its UI. I had to go browse to the location (it's on a NTFS drive) and open it with the linux file manager. When I finally got it open, I discovered that the host shares in the VM couldn't connect. I assumed that it was because the shares weren't setup i, and when I went to do that, I found that samba wasn't installed (which is weird because Mint installed pretty much everything else). I've still got to reboot to enable samba.
3) Since this is my main desktop, I decided to try changing some appearance aspects. I really don't like the icon theme, because all of the icons are square and don't resemble the icons I'm expecting at all - I still haven't figured out how to get what I want out of the UI.
4) The theme stuff is bizarre (in my eyes), and has some strange side-effects. I went to the dark boarders and controls, and Firefox buttons don't show any icons, and some web sites won't display text in their buttons (this is probably bugs in the web sites that exhibit that problem problem). When I went back to the default border/controls theme, the Firefox (and web site) buttons came back.
5) I'm still trying to come to grips with the hot key differences in Linux. Linux does not seem to treat the number key pad the same as Windows. Highlighting text is like a box of chocolates - you never know what you're gonna get. The complete description would bore the crap out of everyone, so I'm not going to say anything more than "it ain't at all like windows".
So, I'm off to reboot to enable samba.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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seems odd that samba is required.
Have you mounted the NTFS drive in linux first?
From there should be able to create the shares in VMWare manager / control center as if they were like any other linux directory.
The linux layer takes care of the FS differences, it's just another directory.
Using virtualbox (on linux) I create the shares for the windows hosts in the VB manager (i.e. not within the guests themselves).
Having done that I boot the guest and the shares are automgically there (already mounted as shared drives - I didn't have to do a thing within the guest.)
Didn't need samba at all, virtualbox has it's own methods.
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Yeah, that's VB wiring up Samba behind the scenes. Samba (or another SMB provider) is 100% required to provide a file share to Windows in a way that it can consume without running additional software.
The shake-n-bake setup in virtualization managers fine for flat network configurations, but as soon as you want to do interesting stuff it becomes cumbersome, and tends to break, quickly.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity."
- Hanlon's Razor
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ahhh, logical [from virtbox] coz why reinvent the wheel?
also explains why at a later stage I installed SAMBA (for physical inter-box connection) and noticed before I started there were already some pieces of it there. (I'm on lubuntu.)
also begs the question why vmware wouldn't do the same?
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Well, VirtualBox largely targets end (power) users, while VMWare targets SysAdmins.
I can tell you from hard experience that the more "baked in" stuff a VM has, the harder it is to work with when you have to customize interactions with it.
That said, with VMWare Tools installed in a VM you can indeed do folder sharing, which infers that it does not use Samba, but a proprietary mechanism.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity."
- Hanlon's Razor
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Why Mint? and What Flavor of Mint is it?
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018
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Mint 19.
Because it’s the most windows like distro, and it’s the one I’m going to install on SWMBO’s machine.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Isn't every weekend now Linux weekend for you? I mean, not expecting an OS/2 warp weekend soon 
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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I figured people would be interested, because - well, you know - the win 10 October update...
Nobody is interested in windows weekends.
Here’s a funny - I actually thought about os2 a couple of days ago. 
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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It is fun to see you enjoy the platform; I moved to Ubuntu some time ago, and was surprised by the amount of games on Steam that I could still install.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Nobody is interested in windows weekends.
We are; there are quite some rants in the lounge posted after someone had to spend their entire weekend on fixing something that Windows botched up.
Just wouldn't want you to hold a windows-weekend, because that would mean that you'd have gone back.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Here’s a funny - I actually thought about os2 a couple of days ago.
A weird idea; the market had no place for it, but it had place for Macintosches, Windows and Linux. Just not for the Warpie-OS.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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This is a fascinating lecture by Rob Pike - Wikipedia[^] which really conveys the flavour of a past era The History of Unix, Rob Pike - YouTube[^] (skip the first 3 and a half minutes of silence).
Peter Wasser
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
modified 17-Nov-18 20:15pm.
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Quote: Yesterday,
All those backups seemed a waste of pay.
Now my database has gone away.
Oh I believe in yesterday.
Suddenly,
There's not half the files there used to be,
And there's a milestone hanging over me
The system crashed so suddenly.
I pushed something wrong
What it was I could not say.
Now all my data's gone
and I long for yesterday-ay-ay-ay.
Yesterday,
The need for back-ups seemed so far away.
I knew my data was all here to stay,
Now I believe in yesterday.
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I've just started reading a very good book, iOS 12 Programming Fundamentals with Swift: Swift, Xcode, and Cocoa Basics: Matt Neuburg[^]
A couple of years ago I read* (skipped around for parts I needed) an older version of this book, when I was writing my first iOS app (C'YaPass[^]).
Petzold-like
The reason I chose the book is because it is written with the same kind of detail that Charles Petzold wrote his Programming Windows(3.x and then 95) books in. You don't find many authors writing this way. Few books start at the beginning and continue from there smoothly.
I really like Mobile development (Android & iOS) and I believe the reason is because it takes me back to simpler times of WinForm development, MFC or WinAPI dev.
Why Not Xamarin? (Why Learn Native iOS?)
I have Visual Studio 2017 and I took a look at Xamarin again yesterday. A quick look but I still have all kinds of problems to overcome even just getting the Cross-Platform template project running. Studio had a real problem running the Android app on my emulator - never got it started. Then the UWP app wouldn't run properly either. I believe it was all due to a bad project name but it just annoyed me.
* This quote explains exactly my experience and why I've decided to commit to reading the latest edition from begin to end.
Preface (author says) The widespread eagerness to program iOS, however, though delightful on the one hand, has also fostered a certain tendency to try to run without first learning to walk. iOS gives the programmer mighty powers that can seem as limitless as imagination itself, but it also has fundamentals. I often see questions online from programmers who are evidently deep into the creation of some interesting app, but who are stymied in a way that reveals quite clearly that they are unfamiliar with the basics of the very world in which they are so happily cavorting.
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About five years ago, I took a serious look at Xamarin for a project. I found it half-baked with lots of promises from Xamarin. (Ended up using Qt, though the project was cancelled when negotiations were finalized with a previous vendor. Bummer for me, smart move for them.)
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Joe Woodbury wrote: About five years ago, I took a serious look at Xamarin for a project
Yeah a lot has changed since then and it still isn't quite at the place where we all kind of dream for it to be. But it may just all be a pipe dream.
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That last sentence applies to so many people who post here.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: That last sentence applies to so many people who post here.
You mean this one from the author of the book, right?
Matt Neuburg: I often see questions online from programmers who are evidently deep into the creation of some interesting app, but who are stymied in a way that reveals quite clearly that they are unfamiliar with the basics of the very world in which they are so happily cavorting.
It is an easy thing to fall into these days.
The Internet does provide a lot of help and samples, but it rarely provides a sense of the over all picture that is needed to really go deeper into things.
And the Internet has created a situation where many people believe they only want fast answers instead of the deeper information that will actually carry them further.
I read a great book about this which I definitely recommend (The Shallows: What the Internet Is Doing to Our Brains[^])
That book is not by a luddite. The author uses technology, but the funny thing is people who didn't complete the book review it and call him a luddite who just wants to destroy technology. In actuality he is just trying to point out that we do think differently because of the Internet.
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Exactly. So many questions here are from people who can (just about) write some working code, but have no idea what it is actually doing or how it fits together, what the compiler does, etc. And in a few years they will be the ones writing the banking software (if they are not already doing it). I see that book is available on Kindle here in the UK, so another one to download.
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raddevus wrote: Why Not Xamarin?
I use Xamarin to build native Android apps using C#, because I have a lot of legacy well-tested production C# code that I can reuse with almost no modification. Besides, I love VS and prefer it to Android Studio. But I agree with you - using Xamarin Forms is not a substitute for knowing how to develop for the underlying mobile platforms you're targeting.
/ravi
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/* Grabs the ten foot pole */ .... Yeah ... no.
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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I just started dabbling in the Xamarin world and find it refreshing that my existing WPF knowledge is very relevant. Buggy, sure, slow yup, familiar absolutely.
Then I tried to implement MVVM and it all fell apart with almost no indication why, sigh here we go again!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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Jacquers wrote: Have you had a look at Flutter ?
Looks good from the web site. I wonder if it works well.
Have you tried it? Any success?
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