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R.I.P. Why Montserrat ever collaborated with Mercury is lost on me: like garnishing a Happy Meal with pate de foie gras. When Mercury's fine voice was not submerged in the noise made by Queen, and the dreadful viva Las Vegas production numbers and arrangements, it was wonderful.
«Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot
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She was not too offended by it. Since it has Thunderbird, and Libre Office, she's okay with me replacing Win7. Happy days!
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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You did't mention you have to cook, washing dishes and the like, now.
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FireFox, Chrome, Skype, Dropbox, TeamViewer, all exist on Linux too.
Linux Software - AlternativeTo.net[^]
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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A few weeks before we got a new laptop for wife... I tried to make her moving away from Windows (it would make it a 500 NIS less), but even seeing the kids about 3 years now on Linux - and getting along pretty well - didn't helped...
She now using W10... A waste of the power of that Dell beauty...
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018
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How do you like Libre Office, John? I refuse to play the software subscription game that MicroSucks is trying to foist on us, so I refuse to buy into the Office 365 scam. I don't do clouds, except on rainy days. How does the Libre product compare to the MS version?
Will Rogers never met me.
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Haven't used it yet. I'm trying to work out wireless issues - none of the laptops seem to be able to connect via wireless. It looks like the drivers are there, and the adapters are found, but it they refuse to bend to my will.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: but it they refuse to bend to my will.
Have you already shown them the weapons?  
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I did show them the trash can outside several times, but those subtle hints were essentially ignore. I may have to make an example of one of them...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I may have to make an example of one of them...
If you do it please record it on video and post it... 
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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So, once again, MS is my source of laughs today. I get my notice to upgrade to VS 15.8.6, which I do. Everything goes fine...almost.
I see four new notices for upgrading some of the extensions. I don't use these particular extensions often, but I like to stay up-to-date anyhow. Two of the upgrades succeed and two fail. I retry those two, just in case something I did mixed them up. No luck.
So, I dig into the log files and find these gems (excerpted)...
Quote: 10/5/2018 9:27:34 PM - Beginning to install extension to Microsoft Visual Studio Professional 2017...
10/5/2018 9:27:34 PM - Upgrading 'Microsoft Reporting Services Projects', version 1.24 to version 2.0.
10/5/2018 9:27:35 PM - Install Error : Microsoft.VisualStudio.ExtensionManager.BreaksExistingExtensionsException: This extension cannot be installed because the following extensions contain dependencies that would be broken as a result of this installation:
- Microsoft Analysis Services Projects
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10/5/2018 9:27:36 PM - Beginning to install extension to Microsoft Visual Studio Professional 2017...
10/5/2018 9:27:36 PM - Upgrading 'Microsoft Analysis Services Projects', version 1.32 to version 2.2.
10/5/2018 9:27:37 PM - Install Error : Microsoft.VisualStudio.ExtensionManager.BreaksExistingExtensionsException: This extension cannot be installed because the following extensions contain dependencies that would be broken as a result of this installation:
- Microsoft Reporting Services Projects
Say it with me, "circular dependency", yeah! Thanks MS.
This also came on a day when I'm reading in the news that the latest Windows 10 update may delete (or hide) lots of files. So, I'm busy making backups as well. Thanks MS!
Some of the highlights of this lovely update include the following. Best of luck everyone!
Windows 10’s latest update is deleting some users’ documents - The Verge[^]
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/problems-with-windows-10-october-2018-update/[^]
Installing Windows 10's October Update Could Result In A Nightmare, Here's How To Avoid It[^]
UPDATE: MS has (finally) wisely decided to delay the release...
Microsoft pulls Windows 10 October 2018 Update after reports of mass file deletion | PCWorld[^]
modified 6-Oct-18 10:21am.
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Eric Lynch wrote:
Installing Windows 10's October Update Could Result In A Nightmare, Here's How To Avoid It
One word answer: Linux.
And if you must use windows: 7 ---- ideally in a VM in your linux.
Anything else is just waste of your time (notwithstanding a less efficient use of your computing resources.) Before the mslemmings answer: consider how much is your time worth?
win10 is still a huge fail.
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Yeah, I have all three (Linux, Win 7, and Win 10) running on physical boxes here. Also, have plenty of hardware for frequent backups, so not a huge deal for me.
In this case, I feel badly for the average consumer using Win 10. As much as you might hope it, they're not very likely to switch to Linux to avoid a bad update 
As to the "which is better" argument, not overly interested. They're all fine. Over the decades, I've been through dozens of OSes. I don't play favorites. I go with whatever tools the customers request. The surest path to career obsolescence is cheer-leading some specific technology. Oh VMS, how I miss thee.
If you last long enough, all technologies fade in prominence...except for JavaScript, will someone please drive a stake through that thing's heart already?
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Yes, everyone is experiencing this. They will fix it and they will push out another patch. No big deal here.
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If your talking about the circular dependency issue here, I agree it is no big deal (at least for me). Though, it would be nice if MS would occasionally QA some of these VS releases. Lately, judging by The Lounge, problems seem to have become more the rule than the exception.
This problem should have been easy to catch in QA. It only made me waste a small bit of time, but I got a laugh for the effort, so worth it 
With the Windows 10 October update, sounds like a much bigger deal, if you get hit by it. There seems to be some debate if the files simply become inaccessible to the user (my guess) or are actually deleted.
This should be the most basic responsibility of any OS...don't misplace/lose my stuff!
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Sure. I agree. I also know that this was a major f-up on their part and as of this morning it is still not fixed. Ugh.
However, still, I know they will fix it and hopefully will have learned from this mistake, if not for a few days....hours....Ok, they will not have learned, but still... 
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Fair enough...I give MS credit for acknowledging a mistake. Hopefully, not too many early adopters got bit. That said, I'm still a cheer-leader for basic QA. I can't imagine how much more basic (than keeping your files) it could be.
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I gotta say, it has been fairly uneventful (I really like uneventful).
I'm going to convert my windows install into a VM, and see how compatible the Linux version of Thunderbird is with my Windows version's data files this weekend. If that works out, all I really have left tethering me to Windows is Visual Studio.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Linux gets better with every release.
I may not be that good looking, or athletic, or funny, or talented, or smart
I forgot where I was going with this but I do know I love bacon!
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Yeah, it's pretty close to "i just wanna get sh*t done", and almost doesn't require propeller-head status/skillz.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Yep! It just works!
I may not be that good looking, or athletic, or funny, or talented, or smart
I forgot where I was going with this but I do know I love bacon!
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I'm about 2 months ahead of you doing exactly that
1. moved t-bird to linux, no probs, minor bit of fiddling about but trivial
2. installed VS (initially 2013, then 2017) on VM's (with projects in a shared linux directory*
... * no not it's NOT a folder, it's a directory, stupid windows! even ms has chdir, not chfol.)
install t-bird, start it, create dummy account, skip giving it login info, exit t-bird, move the .roaming data directories over, edit profiles.ini to point to the copied ?????.default, edit the prefs.js to point the mail.server.serverx entries to the directories where the mailboxes are, start t-bird.... for me it just worked, the old saved passwords and all.
created a w7 VM (virtualbox), installed 7 - start it and create account, [snapshot], notepad++, inno installer, mysql connector & workbench (running the mysql on the host), couple of others - nothing heavy [snapshot], vs 2017, start vs, set prefs (including point projects at shared linux drive), [snapshot] )
Worthwhile: snapshots along the way, can reset to (or clone from any snapshot) to easily revert/re-create to any point. (Initially I installed vs2013, then using the pre-vs snapshot cloned it and have another with vs2017 - means 2017 installed on vanilla with no old version baggage.)
Also can clone the windows-only for a a completely clean test environment (easier than creating a brand new VM and installing win again.)
Finally a vanilla w10 VM, for testing. (Host only network, I'll enable it's full network only once in a blue moon so it will only ever update when I say.)
Keep the projects outside the VM - super easy to point any new/old VM at the dev/release locations - no need to fart about copying and pasting.
BTW: w10 vs w7 on equal VM's: w10 boots, runs, and even shuts down noticeably slower. worse still even just idling w10 causes my machine run 5 - 10 degrees warmer than 7. And of course 10 (vs 7) still sucks as a dev env - it's just wrong and really unhelpful.
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I'm gonna pick up a used NUC this weekend (i3 dual core, 4gb DDR4, 60gb ssd) with Linux already installed. Gonna put Kodi on it and use it as a HTPC. This will be the 5th Linux box on my network.
I need to convince my wife to try Linux. She might go for it if I put her Win7 into a VM to serve as a backup...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Way to go!
Years back I used various *nix - full-on propeller-head mode, and was expecting more of the same.
When I set up this machine a couple of months ago was surprised, it really was even easier than installing windows, everything fully worked out of the box, very first boot.
Same as you, only 1 thing tying me to windows is vs (for work), Absolutely everything else is on the 'nux, and well, it's just better, way better. (faster, cleaner, less stupid crap happening.)
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I tried (probably over a year ago) to use a low-requirements distribution (Lubuntu) to use pretty much exclusively with my projector - simple task - and what made me roll back to Windows is the fact that I couldn't get a driver that could do hardware graphics acceleration. Could find very little help, and installing a video driver is apparently beyond my patience with Linux.
480p video was fine, 720p was stuttery, and 1080p was impossible to play. The same videos, on the same hardware, with a proper video driver, work flawlessly.
Let us know how it works out with the NUC.
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