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Speaking of that, I find this one absolutely hilarious:
Kitten Wearing Tiny Boxing Gloves Hits Cat on Head - YouTube[^]
It also teaches a very important life lesson: If you can't beat the bigger person you're fighting, hit a smaller one that you CAN beat instead! 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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Never argue with a fool. Onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
Mark Twain
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Don't have anything like that. How about this[^]?
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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I suppose we should be grateful that your thoughts first turned to pugilism... 
Andy B
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So, my password expired. My ActiveDirectory password. No network drive access, no email, etc. No worries, I web off to the support site to request a reset. Oops, can't login, my password expired 
Obligatory Dilbert:
https://assets.amuniversal.com/a69d61e06cbc01301d46001dd8b71c47[^]
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Our system gets in your face 3 weeks prior to expiry. As I loathe notifications I change it the first time it starts nagging.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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We once had a software vendor who also offered support for their products. Their support portal was so complicated, that they offered a training on how to use it.
As I said, we once HAD that software vendor.
BREAKING FAKE NEWS: Trump told the truth!
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See, password protection is safe, when you can't do anything nothing bad can happen 
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RickZeeland wrote: See, password protection is safe, when you can't do anything nothing bad can happen
Nothing good can happen either.
The real question is, does the good outweigh the bad...
I may have just created a new employee evaluation methodology.
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On one project I worked on in the past, the PM requested access to the machine of a team member who was out of the country on holiday. The tech support team reset his password and gave it to the PM who was able to find the files she needed.
She then sent the user an email to tell him the new password.
When he returned, for some reason he could not access the email system. I wonder why?
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I'm an optoholic - my glass is always half full of vodka.
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I was looking at the catalog from my old State U, and I noticed that it has a minor in CS that requires:
- intro programming (2)
- data structures
- computer organization / assembly
- discrete math
- upper level electives
While I certainly agree with the other 4 lower-level stuff, I have to question the need to do computer organization & assembly. Yes, it is important in some realms of CS, but I think that the study of CS has by now completely abstracted out that part of the body of knowledge of CS so that someone could consider himself well-prepared to do CS work (including the fancy-shmancy stuff at the graduate level) without knowing this. Sure, there are some folks studying CS as a minor that might want to learn this, but I don't think it's essential anymore. I could even make the argument that it should be an elective for a CS major.
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What's in the "computer organization / assembly" course ? hardware stuff ?
I'd rather be phishing!
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looks like a nice course.
I'd take it.
I'd rather be phishing!
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I reckon it's important. I've worked with developers who had studied courses centered around web development - they get stuck not being able to think below a certain layer of abstraction.
Anything not in the accepted high level formats is horrible unreadable gobbledygook.
Sure you don't want to always operate at that level of thinking but it's infuriating to work in an environment where everything has to be serialized and sent over HTTP otherwise they can't understand/troubleshoot configuration of some infrastructure that operates at the TCP/IP level.
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swampwiz wrote: I think that the study of CS has by now completely abstracted out that part of the body of knowledge of CS so that someone could consider himself well-prepared to do CS work (including the fancy-shmancy stuff at the graduate level) without knowing this.
Sure. Perhaps we can abstract away some more and hand out the degrees in every corn flakes package.
So go ahead. Let's produce more fools who can't write a simple one line method or property to set or check some flag bits. I can show you a nice, idiotic error that exists since .Net 1.0 that probably has been built in by someone who could not grasp the concept of enumerating bit flags. It will never be fixed to keep compatibility and makes an otherwise very practical thing almost useless to me because I constantly have to work around this tiny mistake.
And let's invent something that manages memory for those that would be thrown out of every library because they can't understand the simple concept of bringing back what you have borrowed. Let's make them believe that even thinking about managing memory is a very bad thing. This way we can produce idiots who can't understand the absolutely simple concept of a pointer and give me job security forever. Let's make a religion out of it and put it on the list of sins they will have to confess and atone for in code reviews.
Don't you dare to take away the joy of finding out that someone programmed an instant server crash with this simple line:
ds.Fill();
No error checking or exception handling, just a setup to let the server's memory hop out of their sockets instantly. And the idiot insists on having done everything 'as required' and absolutely unable to imagine that memory is not available in unlimited amounts. Nor was he able to estimate the memory requirements of what he did or understand why it's better to make such an estimate in the code before executing that one simple line.
Abstracting something away does not help those who are still learning. You only deny them any chance to understand what's happening and only few ever become aware that there is a little more to all they know or ever get around to learn about these things. Indeed, they are discouraged to do so by people who mindlessly repeat what they have been preached. Teaching students to rely on abstractions and not equipping them to understand them simply sets them up to fail.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
modified 13-Sep-18 4:07am.
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CodeWraith wrote: And let's invent something that manages memory for those that would be thrown out of every library because they can't understand the simple concept of bringing back what you have borrowed.
This is an amazing metaphor.
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You proven again why you're the CP Member I respect the most.
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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assembly language should definitely be there and people need to know whats going on at the lower level rather that just suck it up to javascript
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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Absolutely yes!
Remember, this is a computer science course.
Computer science is not necessarily about programming computers although programming and development skills will form part of it.
I remember recruiting a young chap who had just come off some IT course who had a 2.1 and he looked at me with a blank face when I mentioned how understanding the basic mechanics of how a hard disc works and how data is stored on it will make you a better DBA.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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It is vital, now more than ever. Embedded computing as everywhere, high performance low consumption low cost systems are spreading like butter under the Sun... and being able of tracing faults down to the hw level and fixing one's own tool (aka the workstation) is a skill that never lost value. In fact it is only gaining, due to the usage of industrial PCs in most applications in places of the traditional built-in systems.
Heh, I had a large international company pestering me for almost a year and offering me an amount usually reserved to managers just because I'm one of the few under-40 that has this kind of experience and knowledge. I'll be moving to them in 10 days.
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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They should change it to
- intro programming (2)
- data structures
- googling for the solution
- discrete math
- upper level electives
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googling for the solution Ask Siri/Cortana
FTFY
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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So....you think it's a good idea to write code without understanding what a CPU or memory are...
On second thought, there is a degree that basically does what you're talking about: CIS. That's the people that learn to write horribly hacky things in VBA.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity."
- Hanlon's Razor
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swampwiz wrote: computer organization / assembly
I first read this as meaning the kids are taught the discrete parts of the hardware, and assembling a computer, but after reading other people's comments, I'm not so sure anymore. "Assembler" (if that's what was meant), rather than "assembly", would've removed all doubt.
In any case - assuming my first guess was right:
Yes, I'd like them to know this stuff. But based on what I've seen IRL, I would NOT want most people anywhere near the insides of a computer.
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