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Eddy Vluggen wrote: because MS supports the developer community.
 Despite the thousands of bugs closed because "by design" and the deteriorating of dcoumentation quality, MS is still the best company in terms of develope support on such a large scale.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: give it a try to switch to another platform
I would make it mandatory, like military service in some countries. Maybe it will teach something to the competitors and the developers themselves.
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den2k88 wrote: I would make it mandatory, like military service in some countries. Maybe it will teach something to the competitors and the developers themselves.
Well, not for plumbers, but for developers, yes, good idea. It is like going to a foreign country; some things are similar, others vastly different 
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"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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OriginalGriff wrote: trying to make your desktop look like a phone nobody wanted to buy in the hope you might buy the phone was never going to be a good idea.
This is exactly why I dislike W10 so much. I can not stand its UI. I really wish they would allow different styles of appearance for it. Even W7 and XP had that functionality and I was really sorry to see it go.
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I wonder if this is the same guy who thought forced reboots for development machines was a good idea....
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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I try to keep my OpenVMS-Fu from deteriorating completely.
It appears that much of the developers where I am are being forced to switch largely to Linux.
I suspect that someone far up above is anti-Microsoft, and maybe there's good reason?
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Ah good ole' VMS...happy days...I miss the distributed lock manager (which my phone just auto-corrected to "district attribute lick manager"...seriously, wish I was joking).
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Maybe he killed WP because he didn't know jack about phone design but is well versed in Desktop.
Maybe he learnt from company mistakes (the face can do a lot but ultimately the b*hole has more power).
Maybe he will kill MS alone and will silently gloat in his dark room having succeeded where everyone failed.
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Hi All,
Just wondering if Windows despite its attempt at phones and embedded OS, seems to have either stopped updating or abandoned them. Most everything I come across these days tends to be either Linux or some odd propriety OS (I'm guessing a shell over Linux) despite hearing about Win 10 Embedded I have never seen it, the last time I used a Windows XPe...
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Never used the Microsoft's embedded prefer Linux
Everyone has a photographic memory; some just don't have film. Steven Wright
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XPe was (is?) look like coding on standard Windows expect nothing quite worked the way you were expecting.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: If you have the option, use Linux...
You say that, but Windows CE was (and still is) kickass. IoT Core is pretty nice as well, even if their web site and licensing is all borked, which was the problem with CE.
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For no clear reason my company entertain moving from Windows IoT to Linux for our Raspeberry Pie stuff...
modified 4-Jun-18 20:51pm.
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M$? Is this 2003? 
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They simply don't know what to do with embedded. They had a great push in the early 2000's. I started on CE 4.0, delivered products on 4.1, 5.0 and now Windows Embedded Compact 7. Very solid platform.
That said, they had this great idea with .net 2.0 and then later versions to be brought to CE. They made commitments to the developer base, and then abandoned .net support. To say the developer meetings were heated is an understatement. Along about this time, the little company called google started bringing Android to market. The rest is history.
Pulled defeat from the jaws of victory.
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And as a side note, what the hell is wrong with Microsoft and their anal desire to constantly rename products?
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Embedded?
You mean their entire Windows NT based OSs (XP, Win7), with a handful of UI components removed?
Well, you could call them embedded, if you had something the size of a desktop to embed them in! 
Or do you mean the weird latest IoT embedded, that run on linux?
I havent seen the former for quite a while, I guess it died. As for the latter it seems to live in the 'Windows IoT' stable, along with what is left of CE and Windows 10 (or 11 as it should be called).
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More like the embedded world abandoned MS.
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gave up more like it.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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AFAIK there is Windows 10 LTSB (which is by the way the platform I'm writing from).
Windows didn't change, it's a while that even the GUI is "optional"... the only change is that there's no Cortana nor Windows Store on LTSB and some components are wonkier than usual.
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Quote: some components are wonkier than usual
OK so no change there then!
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Not quite what you mean, but I'm currently working on a project that's PIC18 (4k ram. OS? LOLWUT!!) on the backend, and UWP on the front.
Other options had been considered for the embedded part including an RPi or some other ARM board running both halves, but time to market requirements on our clients part meant there wasn't time to switch to a new hardware architecture.
Other than needing to add a work queue to avoid race conditions decoding messages when the board is being extra chatty I was able to use the UWP serial IO sample more or less out of the box. Other than being limited to FTDI chips (so no hardware COM port support) the UWP RS232 library has worked great out of the box. After the utter farce that was their implementation in the main .net framework they've apparently managed to get it right this time.
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Hm, as an old time (since the 70's) embedded engineer, I've never used a Microsoft embedded OS. By the time CE came out I was already familiar with multiple RTOSes and CE was really lacking compared to the RTOSes I'd used. The CE display side was ok though since the RTOSes I used didn't have any display features built into the RTOS itself. Display for the RTOSes (if any) were in a separate library/module. However, in all my years of embedded development, I've never worked on a device that had a built in display so I never bothered to look at CE. Heck, the device I'm developing for now has, to me, lots of RAM (256k) and FLASH (1Mb). From what I remember of the old Windows CE and and Windows Embedded, it's not going to fit (compact version required 1Mb of RAM) and I'm betting their new IoT system isn't going to fit either. So to finalize, in my 'embedded' world, Microsoft was never in the race.
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Hololens runs its own version of Windows 10 that just recently got an update; which included specific device usability enhancements.
"(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then".
― Blaise Pascal
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