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PeejayAdams wrote: Real life UFO sightings don't just occur in the US. They occur near air force bases all over the world.
Not surprising since of course people see many things that are 'unidentified' all the time.
However the story is attempting to claim that the source is extraterrestrials (back by proponents and a business), which is far different.
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HobbyProggy wrote: Every freaking UFO / Alien attack (In Movies) takes place in the US, i
You clearly watch and parse rather selectively.
Japan was a favorite UFO target just about forever. "The Mysterians" was one of my favorite movies when I was little. Damn - they even put a long pointy nose on a robot.
If one goes by length as defining a movie, Dr Who's invasions were primarily of London (when on earth, at least).
However - I'm willing to compromise on this. How about we call it fair and put out signals so the next main attack is Quebec? Who-TF would care? We can let the aliens win and call it the mother of all win-win situations.
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Agreed 
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Heck, some people might even go help them.
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HobbyProggy wrote: Every freaking UFO / Alien attack (In Movies) takes place in the US
Err...no. Just one that I have seen...and a good one at that...
Attack the Block (2011) - IMDb[^]
Of course many do come from the US just as many bollywood movies are shot in India and many kpop movies come from Korea. However many types of movies originate from the US which are released worldwide because the US likes movies and money from movies.
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UFO's and alien abductions are a modern thing; the pre-1950's equivalent was witches or fairies, the devil or succubi.
Before UFOs, witches were seen flying across the sky on brooms - now presumably they have all been shot down by the UFOs and take a taxi ...
DO I believe them?
No chance. Just look at the people who report the sightings - would they be a credible expert witness in a court trial? 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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As the technology advances, so do these monsters. Wands become lightsabers.
The sh*t I complain about
It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem
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They do indeed - the Monster Under The Bed now has a webcam and gang tattoos...
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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There was an interesting book called something like "blah blah blah Bichemeral mind" which discussed this and how over the centuries fairy and demon abductions have turned into UFO abductions.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Are you not aware of the event in the 50's when UFO's buzzed Washington, were tracked on RADAR from Andrews Air Force Base, were intercepted by fighter jets and were witnessed by hundreds of eye witnesses included the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES himself?
And the event happened again the next day. In broad daylight.
If that's not credible enough then nothing is.
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If it's not on the Internet, then it didn't happen.
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If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
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There are whole documentaries about it on the internet. Also, the newspaper headlines (it was front page news) can be found, or if you don't trust the internet, use microfiche at the library.
This is well known and documented.
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Basildane wrote: There are whole documentaries about it on the internet
There is at least one "documentary" on the internet that "proves" that the holocaust did not happen.
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By the way, I'm a big skeptic myself, especially of the "lone farmer in Wyoming" who sees something. But after studying this event, I was shaken.
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Basildane wrote: I was shaken
not stirred.
Peter Wasser
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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Basildane wrote: But after studying this event, I was shaken.
Then study more...
Volume 52 - CSI[^]
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Basildane wrote: Are you not aware of the event in the 50's when UFO's buzzed Washington, were tracked on RADAR from Andrews Air Force Base, were intercepted by fighter jets and were witnessed by hundreds of eye witnesses included the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES himself
Sigh...
First the president saw nothing.
Second radar is not now and certainly was not then some perfect infallible all seeing device. The understanding and technology behind radar has gotten much better since then which is why weather forecasters all over the world now use it to, accurately, identify weather anomalies of which little was understood then.
Third with an increased understanding of anomalies observers now, both mechanical and human, are better able to understand what they are seeing and thus correctly identify them. That was much less true back then. There is little real evidence (every single video and photograph is a fake but called a 'recreation') of what actually occurred then.
Because of that last point ANY attempt to rationalize a conclusion now is simply wishful thinking. If they were extraterrestrials one can no more prove that now than one can prove that it was nothing more than military hysteria (USSR attacks) and unknown weather anomalies. Because there is no real evidence of anything.
HOWEVER, the most likely explanation, supported by other events, is that mistakes in understanding weather phenomenon and military hysteria (over responding) was likely the sole explanation.
Volume 52 - CSI[^]
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OriginalGriff wrote: UFO's and alien abductions are a modern thing; the pre-1950's equivalent was witches or fairies, the devil or succubi.
Aliens as saviors of the earth have replaced religious saviors, too.
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
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There are many credible accounts from pilots, backed up by radar tracking from the ground, of unknown objects travelling in odd ways; stopping, accelerating at ridiculous rates etc.
AT the same time it is very likely there is life elsewhere in the universe. Given the ability of life to utilise extreme environments on earth (deep sea ocean vents, a heat and sulphur system, as opposed to the surface, which is a sunlight and carbon cycle system) we could well have life on Europa for example.
Are these alien spacecraft? We just dont know. They could be, they could be some weird unknown natural effect, like ball lightening for example. It can do some very odd things.
modified 19-Dec-17 4:34am.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: There are many credible accounts from pilots
...and there's my problem - for some reason pilots, policemen and soldiers are always completely in control of their perceptions and unable to be deceived by them.
There is an element in pilot training called 'human factors' which very clearly show how easy it is for even pilots to be deceived by their senses.
Although of course being able to back up these claims with radar does add something to their claims.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
modified 19-Dec-17 6:14am.
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It is the radar back up that shows it isnt just pilot hallucination.
There was a case over NZ, between north and south islands, backed up by radar, for example.
Of course it could be some natural phenomenon. Ball lightening, as I mentioned does some strange things.
ball lightning - Google Search[^]
Ball lightning - Wikipedia[^]
It can hover, enter a room, move about. Very strange stuff.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: There was a case over NZ, between north and south islands, backed up by radar, for example.
Hard to tell what you mean but if you mean New Zealand in 1978 then yes there is another explanation. Including the radar...
Search for "New Zealand"
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GuyThiebaut wrote: Although of course being able to back up these claims with radar does add something to their claims.
In 1952, no that has little to do with anything. Radar was very new then and very crud. There is a reason weather forecasters use it now to identify many things and did not use it at all then.
Volume 52 - CSI[^]
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To even admit the POSSIBILITY of UFO's is to deny the Size of the Universe or the Speed of Light limitation. You guys believe what you want, I'll stick with Einstein and the Astronomers....
Also I am a Science fiction fan since 1956. The 2 Best SF movies ever made were (in order) Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension, and Repo Man...
They call it Science FICTION for a good reason!
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Who knows how far we can push back the boundaries of physics?
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