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If any of you want to play with getting control back over your updates, this thread prompted an idea to create a bat file to possibly do the job. If you have any improvements to the bat, please post them, as I've never mastered all the arcanery behind that process.
@echo off
:while1
sc stop wuauserv
sc config wuauserv start= disabled
timeout 60
goto :while1
Just open a command prompt with administrator privileges and run the bat from there.
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Very cool, especially to implement this without having to write a complicated app, etc. That was basically what I was going to do, but as an app -- didn't even think about writing it as a batch file! There may be some other services that need to be disabled too, but those can be easily added to the bat file!
Thanks!
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My batch file is no longer working - MS seems to have made a super-hidden admin account or something (during a manual update), to take control of the services so they can't be stopped. Is it still working for you?
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David O'Neil wrote: My batch file is no longer working - MS seems to have made a super-hidden admin account or something (during a manual update), to take control of the services so they can't be stopped. Is it still working for you?
I stopped using the batch file as even before the latest update, Windows was still shoving updates down my throat. It must have been sneaking through somehow.
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If you figure out something new, holler. I've played a bit, and successfully taken ownership of the wuaueng.dll and some others, but still get '5' error with the batch file saying access denied. Maybe have to take ownership of svchost? Don't know - hesitant to play with that one.
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so you replace 1 program that runs continuously in the background with another.
fascinating.
just curious, (I'm not on 10), what about stopping it and renaming the service .exe file?
at least if you want it can rename it back. (Could have a couple of .bats, at least they need only run once.
Signature ready for installation. Please Reboot now.
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Lopatir wrote: so you replace 1 program that runs continuously in the background with another.
But one of those causes considerable grief when your machine restarts without your permission. And technically, it is not a replace! They both keep running.  But such is life in this case. Checked, and the command prompt is stuck at 0% usage if that is any consolation.
Lopatir wrote: just curious, (I'm not on 10), what about stopping it and renaming the service .exe file?
Might be possible, but there are a couple other background processes that Windows runs that might trigger the file to be reimplemented. And I'm not knowledgeable about them.
edit: maybe - reddit thread showing which service dlls to rename, but the wuaueng.dll is not in the newest version of Win10.
modified 20-May-18 13:08pm.
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There is no windows update on Linux!  
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Why would I update something I don't use?
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Troy Hunt: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update, just don't[^]
Disabling WU is like not vaccinating your kids. You might have the right to do it on your own computer, but don't bring that virus-laden bastard anywhere near my network! 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Richard Deeming wrote: Troy Hunt:
Everyone is wrong at least once in their life! If MS gave an option to use the old style update system, where a notification came in your task tray, I'd use it. But they don't, so spreading ways to get some control back is a market force. If everyone did so, they might read this message and add the option. Then I would not promote alternatives.
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David O'Neil wrote: the old style update system, where a notification came in your task tray
Which too many people ignored, leaving their machines unpatched for years.
And then promptly blamed Microsoft when their machine was compromised using a security vulnerability which had been patched 18 months earlier.
The current system isn't perfect - no system is. But if your machine is forcing a restart, that means you've been ignoring the "please restart" notifications for too long.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Richard Deeming wrote: But if your machine is forcing a restart, that means you've been ignoring the "please restart" notifications for too long.
I can't ignore something it never gave me. That is the biggest problem with the current screwed up system.
Richard Deeming wrote: And then promptly blamed Microsoft
Never did, so don't toss me into that camp.
It is fine if they keep the current system as default, for the people that only browse, and never leave projects open overnight. But give an option so power users can control their machine if they so wish. Then this thread wouldn't exist.
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David O'Neil wrote: leave projects open overnight
Without saving them first? You must have a decent UPS to be that confident that you won't lose power in the middle of the night.
David O'Neil wrote: But give an option so power users can control their machine if they so wish.
Because "power users" will never click to delay an update indefinitely, then forget to apply the update, and get hit by malware, right? 
It's a no-win situation. If they give you the option to delay indefinitely, you end up getting infected and infecting others. If they give you the option to delay for a finite length of time, it's never going to be long enough for some people.
Yes, there's room for improvement. But turning updates off completely is still not a good idea. It's like solving the problem of worn brake-pads in your car by removing the brakes! 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Richard Deeming wrote: Yes, there's room for improvement.
We agree. And I do update, and don't recommend others don't. Point MS to this thread to get it improved.
Richard Deeming wrote: Without saving them first?
Regardless of whether or not I save them, when Windows forces the update without telling me, I lose the entire workspace. Yes, I have to recreate it when I do the update, but I can take steps to mitigate it when I know about the impending update, like saving tab arrangements and such if I want.
I have lost stuff 3 times because of this issue in the past. And I never got notifications for any of those updates. Enough is enough.
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David O'Neil wrote: And I never got notifications for any of those updates.
I can't recall ever having an update where I didn't get a notification well in advance of the actual restart.
But then, this is Microsoft; "consistency" is a rude word to them.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Richard Deeming wrote: I can't recall ever having an update where I didn't get a notification well in advance of the actual restart.
I am jealous!
Richard Deeming wrote: But then, this is Microsoft; "consistency" is a rude word to them.
Got my five! I wish it wasn't true!
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Well, I started the rant in the other thread and I declare total bullshit. I bought Windows Professional for a good damn reason. I'm a professional. And if I have to save all my projects because my a**hole stupid OS forced a reboot... that's just stuck on stupid.
As I said earlier, you can polish the turd all you want, and in the end, you'll have a shiny turd. Tell you what, go into the MS server room and start pulling power plugs. See if there is an issue.
As a matter of fact, I DO have damn good UPS's on my LAPTOPS (battery - more UPS), there is no reason I should not be able to leave my machine up for weeks on end. MS' position is total and complete BS.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Indeed.
We're all developers here. If updates are giving anyone such grief, they owe it to themselves to at least learn about Microsoft's Windows Update Server (WSUS). I suspect most of us on CP have an MSDN subscription, and have access to Windows Server. WSUS is a free add-on, is available from Windows Server 2003 onward, and it's rather trivial to install and configure. And it leaves you in total control of all updates.
It's certainly overkill for the average consumer, but we're not the typical bunch - most of us have multiple machines, and even more VMs, all of which need to be kept up to date - so even more reason to leverage the tools that are at our disposal.
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A recent update caused Windows machines that DID NOT HAVE THE UPDATE to fail when it came to connecting via Remote Desktop or for network sharing.
Big pain if one needed remote access and had skipped the updates.
"(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then".
― Blaise Pascal
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Recently, I became older. Over the course of my life, this has been a disturbing trend. However, the alternative doesn't seem much more appealing. I'd be willing to "Benjamin Button" it for a few years, but that doesn't seem to be on the menu.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm simply getting older. "I'm not old", he says, quickly concealing his gray hair.
I've noticed many older people ranting. It seems like it might be fun? So, I thought I'd experiment with it (in this post). I originally wanted to post this to my blog, but then realized I don't have one.
So, I'm posting it here instead. I'm hoping that the villagers will keep their pitchforks and Tiki torches in the shed. At the moment, I can't afford to pay a bridge troll its fare to pass.
So, anyhow, here goes...ranting powers activate...
I've been thinking a lot about software methodologies lately. Mostly, because there is no beer left in the fridge.
They always start out well-intentioned. "We keep falling behind our delivery schedules. Let's do something about that." Yeah!
Initially, much like a Mogwai, they start out all "cute and fuzzy". Then, someone feeds them after dark. Suddenly, they're trying to eat your face off.
OK, I digress, that might be some other critter. Honestly, I don't know much about Gremlins. I just know they're bad!
I think a better name might be software ideology. After the good intentions are long forgotten, the dogmatic elements become dominant.
"You can't do it that way." Why? Because, the methodology says its wrong.
My favorite example is the Manifesto for Agile Software Development (http://agilemanifesto.org/).
We are uncovering better ways of developing
software by doing it and helping others do it.
Through this work we have come to value:
Individuals and interactions over processes and tools
Working software over comprehensive documentation
Customer collaboration over contract negotiation
Responding to change over following a plan
That is, while there is value in the items on
the right, we value the items on the left more.
I continue to agree with absolutely every one of these goals. If anything, its almost an anti-methodology. I suspect, but cannot prove, the pain of those well-intentioned heroes.
However, it suffers the fate of most good intentions. It follows a life-cycle familiar to many of us.
Step 1: Save the World - Some people with good intentions, recognize a problem and try to fix it. "Let's write a few simple guidelines. That should help."
Step 2: Build a Better World - Inevitably, that damned imperfect "real" world refuses to cooperate. "It doesn't always work for us. Let's fuss with it. If we just add a few simple rules, it will be even better."
Step 3: Write a Book - People start to interpret or misinterpret those few simple rules. A couple more rules should add clarity. "These rules are a little unclear. Can someone maybe write a book on the topic?"
Step 4: Hire an Expert - Companies have difficulty consistently implementing the rules. A couple more rules are added to help. "We're having some trouble with those rules. Can we get one of the folks who wrote that book to help us with a lecture?"
Step 5: Get Certified - Companies recognize that people experience uneven success following the rules. A couple more rules are added to help. "Folks aren't consistently following the rules. Is there some certification they can get to make sure they understand?"
Step 6: Enforce The Rules - Companies recognize the results are still inconsistent. A couple more rules are added to help. "Folks are still inconsistently following the rules. Can we hire some management experts to help enforce them?"
Step 7: Build a Culture - Countless studies (with little peer review) conclude that this is THE WAY to develop software. "This is definitely the way to go, let's make it part of our corporate culture."
Step 8: Build a Religion - Evidence of a problem with the methodology seems to exist. "It didn't work for you? The methodology isn't wrong. You're just doing it wrong."
Step 9: Attend Seminars - – Fans of the methodology assemble. "Those dumb people still don't understand our methodology. Let's start a seminar so we can discuss it!"
Step 10: Recognize a Problem - The industry as a whole comes to realize the methodology is flawed, return to step 1. “Hey, this isn’t working. I heard about this new methodology. Let’s try it.”
I wish people would allow software methodologies to serve them instead of making it the other way around.
I wish people would recognize the wisdom in common clichés: all things in moderation, no solution fits all problems, etc.
If a methodology is working for a project, great! Use it. If its not, use a different methodology for a while.
Methodologies shouldn't be a suicide pact. Multiple methodologies can co-exist. Let's end the rule that new methodologies must kill off their predecessors. This isn't Thunderdome.
Ultimately, in the software industry, we're making sausages. It's sometimes an ugly business. However, if the product is of good quality and affordable, the process used to create it shouldn't matter too much.
Ranting wasn't as much fun as I hoped. I tried it. I don't think its the thing for me after all.
Ah well, there's beer in the fridge again...problem solved...ranting powers deactivate.
Cheers!
P.S. Apologies for originally posting this on Soap Box. After reading a few posts there, it seemed misplaced, so I moved it here. Long time author, but first new post on a forum, so hopefully I'm not too off base 
modified 19-May-18 19:47pm.
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You are becoming wiser. That's what is is. Not old, but wise!
BTW, I do agree. I am wary of pattern lovers for the exact same reasons.
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Yah, but a spiral is sort of a pattern too...right?
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The most common in the universe!
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