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Quote: Would I kill an animal for food if I had to? Yes - but until then I'll leave it to the professionals.
That sounds ok, as Long the professionals do it right, what ever this means.... But also your statement sounds like delegate the delicate issues to the "authorities".
Please understand me correctly, I also eat meat and do not kill the animals myself. But the more I read about it, the more questions I get 
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
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0x01AA wrote: what ever this means..
Quickly, humanely, with minimum stress to the animal. I don't have the equipment to do that (or access to the animals)
I think of it this way: thousands of years ago we made a contract with chickens, pigs, cows, sheep, ...
We'd protect them from wolves,
foxes, hunger; we'd heal them, help them, breed them, feed them. In return, we'd eat them at the end.
Did you know that the most common bird on the planet is the domestic chicken? In 2008 over 9 billion chickens were slaughtered for food in America alone. How many do you think there would be alive on the whole planet in ten years time if everybody went vegetarian tomorrow?
It's bad for individual chickens, but it's been can good for their species up to now.
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OriginalGriff wrote: Our local abattoir - part of the butchers shop - had to close because the ceiling wasn't high enough
Makes it hard to swing the axe with the requisite force I believe.
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0x01AA wrote: Should I eat meat in case I'm not able to kill the [Edit] basic [/Edit] supplier [Edit]of the meat[/Edit]by myself?
I think it's safer to eat it at a distance where you can't hear the screams.
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So it is 
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
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If you didn't kill it, it's carrion.
I'm a scavenger.
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I think anyone who eats meat should at least a few times in their lives kill and butcher an animal for food.
It is too easy to treat meat as just some product, and not recognise it's true cost.
When I see meat thrown away, I get really angry.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: When I see meat thrown away McDonalds, I get really angry.
FTFY!
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Munchies_Matt wrote: When I see meat thrown away, I get really angry.
If you are full and can't take a bite - still finish your meat. You can leave the garnish, but try to finish the meat.
Munchies_Matt wrote: I think anyone who eats meat should at least a few times in their lives kill and butcher an animal for food.
You should know where it comes from, yes; but you need not kill yourself to get that understanding. I doubt that there'd be many (modern) kids that would eat meat directly after killing it.
It also has to be explained that it is not just "killing"; it is part of the food chain, and a lot cleaner than a pack of wolves. Animals that we raise are not hunted, have little to none parasites and are generally well-fed, to die a relative painless death compared to nature.
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Quote: f you are full and can't take a bite - still finish your meat.
If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! 
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: If you are full and can't take a bite - still finish your meat
The only respectful thing to do.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: but you need not kill yourself
I think until you do pull the trigger, get the knife out and gut it, you havent earned the right to eat meat.
It isnt pleasant, to take life, to butcher a carcass. To offload that on someone else is dishonest. True understanding only comes from doing it, all of it, the good the bad and the ugly.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: It isnt pleasant, to take life, to butcher a carcass. To offload that on someone else is dishonest.
No, it's respectfull to have a butcher do it, and not a programmer. One who knows what he is doing and doesn't waste meat.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
I think until you do pull the trigger, get the knife out and gut it, you havent earned the right to eat meat.
There's no way a kid here is getting a gun
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I dont waste meat when I butcher an animal.
And yes, kids do often hunt, at least here in the UK anyway.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: I dont waste meat when I butcher an animal.
I'm happy that I recently learned how to cut up a chicken in the same a similar way a butcher does*. I will never butcher a cow, since that is too much meat for my fridge. There's a restaurant near with exotic meats where I like to eat - but I'm not stupid enough to propose me killing and butchering a crocodile. The crocodile may not understand and turn the table on me 
Munchies_Matt wrote: And yes, kids do often hunt, at least here in the UK anyway.
Not a common pastime for modern kids, and not much animals to hunt in Central London. Killing something is hard. I had the luck that I could practice on fish first.
*) there's this piece called "sot l’y laisse"; I always assumed the tenderloin to be the best part, but it's not.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Not a common pastime for modern kids
You should see my nephew!
No, not common, unless you live in the country.
I have butchered a deer before, they are pretty big.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: You should see my nephew!
At least it's a valuable skill to learn
Munchies_Matt wrote: I have butchered a deer before, they are pretty big.
That'd be a months worth of meat, probably even more 
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Quote: ... a few times in their lives kill and butcher an animal for food
Or at least watch a slaughter ....
A few months ago a butcher slaughtered two pigs in Switzerland in public to show people what that means. There were big protests against this public slaughtering ... I can not understand this hypocrisy.
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0x01AA wrote: I can not understand this hypocrisy.
Quite.
Make people damn well aware of where their bacon is coming from. It isnt pretty, killing an animal, it is grotesque, sad, ugly. It is only those who can face doing so who have earned the right to eat meat.
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"Animal rights activists cry out, threaten lawsuits and urge the government to ban the action"
Yet their purpose would be better served were they to let the event go ahead and reap the public horror and sentiment.
The fools.
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If the meat doesn't meet your needs, will someone mete out your punishment?
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It's meat, if you like it, eat it. If you don't then don't eat it. What's your problem?
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I lost some memory in my computer - I didn't mind one bit.
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have you tried paging for it?
This internet thing is amazing! Letting people use it: worst idea ever!
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