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The most important part is the day. If you have an appointment on the 13th, then you need to know that it is tomorrow. If you think I have an appointment in June then you will likely miss it.
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If I have an appointment on the next Wednesday I don't need to know the absolute day, month, or year. It's tomorrow.
EDIT: Actually in this specific case I see where you're coming from in that if you have an appointment in the future for, say 26/10, the day is important. But at the same time, a month is restricted by 12, a day by anywhere from 28-31. Wouldn't you rather know Wednesday in October (4 options) vs the 26th 4th week (12 options)?
modified 12-Jun-18 15:31pm.
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If dates were alway yyyymmdd (with or without delimiters), it would not be a problem for left-to-right readers at all. Those of us who can read process so much information in the background that it will be adapted to as effortless.
lkie radendg tihs - at lseat for nvtaie Enisglh uesrs.
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One funny observation: We use "Arabic" numerals, reading left to right, reading the most significant digit first. In Arabic, they represent the numbers the same way, reading from right to left, reading the least significant digit first.
In several European languages, including slightly archaic English, there are remains of least-to-most-significant reading: "four and twenty blackbirds". Even in modern German, you put the ones before the tens. In most Western languages, for the teens you put the ones before the ten: Four-teen, six-teen.
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Before IP and SMTP became dominant, there were several alternatives going either way: Largest unit first, or smallet unit first. For geographical locations, putting the smallest unit first (name, apartment, street address, town, country,...) is commonly accepted, and it is reflected in SMTP mail addresses.
And in domain / subdomain (DNS) names. But then, go down to the IP address: Now the largest unit comes first! Telephone numbers are the same: The country code preceeds the area code which preceeds the subscriber number.
In the telephone directory (and most other similar person registries), the family name (larger unit) comes before the person name ... except in Iceland, where phone directories are ordered by first name. Except that at a higher level, it is organized by town.
The empirical evidence suggest that claiming that one way is "the natural" one doesn't hold water. As long as we are used to one way or the other, or a mix of largest or smallest first, then that feels "natural" to us.
A check question: How many accepted my list: name-apartment-streetaddress-town-country as a small-to-big list, without questioning it? It is a mixture: In most large apartment buildings, the apartment number is <floor><apt> - a lagre-to-small unit. In many (most?) European countries you give the street name (larger unit) before the street number: Main Street 12, rather than the US style: 12 Main Street. But even in the US, many places street numbers are not dense but defined in a street/avenue style: 1204 is number 4 between 12th and 13th avenue - and the 12 in 1204 is the largest unit first!
It is a mess. Yet, we manage to handle it.
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The correct way is from left to right, from the bigger to the smaller.
Se our URL:
www.codeproject.com/script/Forums smaller small big smaller even smaller - complete nonsense.
Java has better way as com.codeproject...
It makes lexical sorting easier, too.
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The best convention is the number of seconds elapsed since 01.04.1972 : sssssssssssssssssssssssssss. No problem by export / import.
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Obligatory XKCD[^]. 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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I see you, and raise you xkcd: ISO 8601. No need for an additional standard. 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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The USA already don't give a damn about several international conventions. A unified date format would fall into the same pit.
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Right - because they don't follow the standards you prefer.
Silly person! China still doesn't have an alphabetic language and working on changing that would be time better spent (although they've had civil wars over that in the past).
Let me remind you that the US use of 'ounces' is better for computers.
1 oz = base unit = 8 drams
4 oz = gil
8 oz = cup
16 oz = pint
32 oz = quart
128 oz = gallon
All powers of two - perfectly represented in binary. Perhaps you ought to get over counting on your fingers and trash that roundoff-error-prone metric system.
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Except in scientific calculations, base 10 is the way to go. That goes even as far as the US scientific community using the one and only worldwide base 10 system, namely SI/metric, because it is objectively superior to the imperial system. As for "better for computers", your claim works only as far as integers reach and in scientific (or pretty much any real-world) calculations, we need floating points and then the advantage is out of the window as you can't just shift the register to convert from cup to oz, you have to do proper calculations with the bit pattern. So, no. Just no.
As for China, so what? We're talking measurement systems here, not languages. Although one could argue that English already is the worldwide standard language and China is indeed slow to catch up. Which reminds me, on some other forum, I see Chinese people ranting about them having to learn English instead of the ROW having to learn Chinese. Let's be real here, the topic isn't even about Chinese being a better or worse universal language than English, the topic is that we aren't on a green field here, there's tons (literally, as in "printed paper" and figuratively as in "plain and simple loads of stuff written") English research material and technical documentation out there and having to rewrite/translate everything in Chinese simply isn't viable.
My personal gripe is the date format, even in Germany, where I live. The ISO 8601 date format is objectively superior to Germany's dd.mm.yyyy, but that doesn't mean people are using it. Although, there's light through the clouds, the ISO 8601 date format was crowned as officially accepted on official government forms. Now I'm just waiting for everyone else to catch up.
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Silly person.
The problem has been solved. It was agreed that we will return to the English system of weights and measures, except for the date, which can be yyyymmdd . Clocks/time may be 12 or 24 hr in informal conditions, the 24 hr clock only used for object data storage.
So sit back, relax and "enjoy a pint!"
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One Norwegian soccer player, Frank Strandli, played for Leeds in 1993-94. When he returned home, was very excited about that great British beer, "I think they called it 'pint'".
Needless to say, he will be remembered forever for that statement.
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The metric system is objectively superior, that's why it has been agreed upon in every civilized country in this world.
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Best for those who still need to count on their fingers.
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You're getting boring. Just like Donald Trump or schoolyard kids, you're going for cheap provokation instead of reasoning with facts. I'm 32, not 12.
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Kirill Illenseer wrote: Just like Donald Trump
But the English system of weight and measures is the best system ever. There's never been a better one. Believe me. It's the best ever.Kirill Illenseer wrote: I'm 32, not 12.
No you're not. As a metric system fanboy, you can only be 10, 20, 30, 40, etc.
Now - enough fun with your post's content. You really need to get to the spirit of the post (and Lounge) - You're obviously new here. So you can get a free pass for a while . . . uh oh . . . time's up. Entfernen Sie den Kleber von Ihren Gesäßbacken. (now do you get it?)
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Vunic wrote: All the data sheet exported from system are in MM-DD-YY format...
Exactly why we have things like datetime data types. Represent the data in a binary format which can't be misinterpreted. Then, the display side can do whatever they want with it.
Alternatively, if you insist on text, you could spell out the month in character so there's no misinterpreting which section is month.
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agolddog wrote: so there's no misinterpreting which section is month.
I regret to inform you the EU has already mandated metric months - so it will no longer recognize those with numeric values exceeding ten. Goods from outside the EU, with processing or expiration dates in months no longer recognized will be banned importation.
What can one say? It's just the way they are.
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I am pretty sure there was a chrome update.
And the title bar is now of an unusable darker grey! #ChromeBroken! 
modified 12-Jun-18 1:12am.
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It seems to be working for me: "Version 67.0.3396.79 (Official Build) (64-bit)" is reported as "up to date".
I see no problems so far - what are you getting?
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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The focused window, unfocused part of the title bar is now #C9C9C9, it used to be clearer me think, like #E9E9E9.
Title bar feels so cold and sad now...
Version 67.0.3396.79 (Official Build) (64-bit)
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It looks pretty much like I remember it, but then I am getting old ... 
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I must admit I didn't notice it until you mentioned it, but now I think you're right. I think it used to respect the windows default colour (#FFFFFF on my machine).
modified 13-Sep-18 21:01pm.
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