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not a picture without melting watches?
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Now look what you've done - you've made me hungry again. 
/ravi
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Well, to kick off the "upgrade", the IT department updated their own computers over the weekend.
Chaos and comedy has ensued, as I predicted. Despite the positive outlook based on some dodgy compatibility evaluation software, 247 of the 250 machines were rendered immediately unusable due to driver issues, and they had to revert back to Windows 7.
I now predict that the command is going to miss the 31-March deadline - by a significant margin - for the completion of upgrade.
But wait! The fun will really start on 23 Feb when they start the upgrade for the rest of the command.
Did I mention that 3700 of the computers did not pass the compatibility evaluation? Knowing the clunkiness of government procurement process, and the lack of any money being set aside for so many new computers in the affected departments, I figure it's gonna be at least a YEAR before the upgrade process is complete.
I suppose that the only silver lining to all of this is that the new machines will come with Win10 on them already, so will be compatible by default. However, I see that going sideways on them as well when they replace the manufacturer Windows image with their own.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Good morning. Looks like you have finally woken up.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
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Troll.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Allow me to remind you when you start crying about big bad haters again.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
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011111100010 wrote: What in the world drivers do you guys have going on there?
I honestly don't know, but I heard a lot of the issues had something to do with VPN and CAC card reader drivers.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: VPN and CAC card reader drivers.
I see. Sounds like they have a massive project in front of them.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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I got rid of [punch cards a long time ago,
No problems on my 8 computers. Wiun 10 was simple and works flaswlessly.
CQ de W5ALT
Walt Fair, Jr., P. E.
Comport Computing
Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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Hmmmm,
Why do you post on public forums about specific Department of Defense site vulnerabilities[^]? Even if it's a contractor site... it just seems wrong to post on a public forum about internal issues. You could be fired from a civillian job for revealing much less.
Best Wishes,
-David Delaune
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It's not a site vulnerability. It's an IT inability. Besides that, this was already in the news - the USAF has to replace over 11,000 computers for this "upgrade", and they are also constrained by the 31 March deadline.
They had until 2020 before Windows 7 was EOL'd, but no - somebody somewhere decided that a knee-jerk reaction was better than a planned upgrade schedule over the course of three years.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Considering the Windows driver model hasn't changed significantly since Vista, someone must really have gone out of their way to use some poorly documented "feature" that's now broken on 10.
(I have successfully installed drivers on Win10 that were made, specifically, for Vista).
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 Win10 has some issues but is more usuable than 8, however the changes that have been made to the Hardware Abstration Layer (HAL) mean it impossible to run some legacy software and hardware on Win 10.
I had to wait years for the HAL to become stable enough to run bits of hardware/software on. One thing is 10 based on a type of Linux as I have come across have had bash but not the MinGW compiler. Mind you these were using some very odd configs so it might have been 10 VM...
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glennPattonWork wrote: 10 based on a type of Linux
Not quite. It's still the same Windows, but it now has a Linux subsystem[^], which allows you to run a bash shell[^] (assuming you've installed it).
It's "based on Linux" in the same way that Wine is "based on Windows".
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Richard Deeming wrote: Wine is "based on Windows"
Judging from the overall experience with Windows I'd dare to say that it's Windows that is based on wine... cheap wine and in quantity.
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Now that is making me grateful that I am not in control of our upgrade, from Windows XP to Windows 10.
Every day, thousands of innocent plants are killed by vegetarians.
Help end the violence EAT BACON
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That'd be an outright replacement (repave/reinstall), as there's no upgrade path going from XP to 10. Or Vista to 10, for that matter.
Besides, those machines running XP must be so old, they're probably not worth trying to run Windows 10 on them.
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Yes we are replacing the machines outright BUT, the software on the other hand is also older than XP
Every day, thousands of innocent plants are killed by vegetarians.
Help end the violence EAT BACON
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so updating a working machine to something that doesn't is an upgrade?
but OTOH updating a government department to one that can't get any work done matters why?
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For all the new neat features of the site. I actually find it way more usable, intuitive and involving. The "Questions" block in the home page right after the latest posts is useful - I answered a question today after years I did not since QA section is the subtitle of Doom II and I avoid it like STDs;
The "Follow" button is so indispensable that it's hard to think CP without it - in fact I lost the last Maunder's interview on code parallelization and only saw it yesterday!
Overall the site is better than it used to be, so thanks @chris-maunder!
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Why I can't understand is why the basic forum format/layout on CP - which I like in compact/normal mode - is not the norm for forums everywhere. It is so much easier and nicer to use and follow threads on than any other, yet CP is the only place that uses it, AFAIK.
Having said that... I've suggested this layout to a couple of clients, and they seem to prefer the usual flat format you see everywhere. Ugh. People are weird.
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Once upon a time I too used CP in the flat format. When I tinkered and discovered Compact/Normal I never looked back.
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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We use it internally - it was not a simple thing to implement and ours is nowhere near as functional as CMs. The users love it naturally.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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den2k88 wrote: Overall the site is better than it used to be
And even then it was better than just about every other site around ...
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