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peterkmx10-Jul-18 4:39

10-Jul-18 4:39

Yes, but we are the masters in complexity management …
Of course my bandana will be different … Smile | :)

CPallini10-Jul-18 1:23

CPallini

10-Jul-18 1:23

Since my last time predictions were completely wrong, I repeat myself with a

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peterkmx10-Jul-18 1:30

10-Jul-18 1:30

Oh no … I must ask my friends in Pavia and Naples for some help … Smile | :)

CPallini10-Jul-18 1:35

CPallini

10-Jul-18 1:35

As I wrote, my latest predictions[^] actually helped.

peterkmx10-Jul-18 1:37

10-Jul-18 1:37

Yes …

… it took me a while to get there Smile | :)

megaadam10-Jul-18 2:44

megaadam

10-Jul-18 2:44

I pretty much agree! But then I also agreed with your BRA-BEL prophecy...

... such stuff as dreams are made on

peterkmx10-Jul-18 5:02

Why was everything more fun 40 years ago?

10-Jul-18 5:02

I am convinced that the rule will be confirmed today …
thank you so much … Smile | :)

CodeWraith9-Jul-18 22:51

CodeWraith

9-Jul-18 22:51

I have been reading electronics magazines from the late 1970s and early 1980s. I had some of the issues and always wanted to read the articles in the issues I missed. Besides those which are relevant to my (then and now) interests, there are many more articles which promise lots of tinkering and fun.

Examples?
Build yourself a modem and get your box online.[^]
The parts list for the modem includes lumber and a tennis ball. Smile | :)

Build a robot. With arms and sensors, not just a little toy.[^]
Now, where did I see such a robot before?

Build a raceway video game console.[^]
These games on a chip obviously were popular at the time. Somewhere in the same issue there is an ad for a similar tanks viedeo game chip and there probably were even more. It cost something like $5.95, not much even in 1980.

What computer to get if you want to learn all about microprocessors.[^]

In the same issue: Computer control for the robot![^]

I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.

His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.

den2k889-Jul-18 23:23

9-Jul-18 23:23

We are pioneers. Once things get consumer friendly we lose interest. It's in the blood. Discovering is much funnier than simply braindead producing.

GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

OriginalGriff9-Jul-18 23:28

OriginalGriff

9-Jul-18 23:28

Go tell that to QA Sigh | :sigh:

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den2k889-Jul-18 23:54

9-Jul-18 23:54

Sadly it's a common forma mentis these days, even without descending in the monkey show that is QA. I had colleagues that instead of thinking 5 minutes to a solution spent days looking for premade solutions and designed convoluted ways to glue them together. The end results were bug ridden, unmaintaineable and crumbled at the first change.

The simple idea of devising an algorithm was alien to them because "it's not possible to do better than the ones other people already made". Basically they were factory workers, you could swap programming with bending iron bars and they would hardly notice.

GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

englebart11-Jul-18 2:43

englebart

11-Jul-18 2:43

A colleague made a similar comment...

On a teleconference people were discussing a months long time lines to evaluate and implement some enterprisey solution to perform load testing.

Colleague speaking:

We capture enough information in our production log files so we can replay the logs against a test setup. Just a few hours of work to extract the info into a replay format. There was a long silence on the line... "Moving onto the next topic...".

raddevus10-Jul-18 4:40

raddevus

10-Jul-18 4:40

den2k88 wrote:
Discovering is much funnier than simply braindead producing.

You do not like working on the assembly line? Roll eyes | :rolleyes:

Me either. Dead | X|

And here is the interesting part...
As software development absorbs more process and more patterns it becomes more like assembly-line coding and you transform from an artist to a key-presser.

However, with no process things are terrible -- some developers act like every project is a new piece of art that has zero process and they are the magicians. Sigh | :sigh:

That's bad.

But, as software development nears the 100% repeatable process it becomes total monotony. Dead | X|

den2k8810-Jul-18 5:13

10-Jul-18 5:13

Processes are good. Cobbling together anything written by others in the dirtiest possible way are not an acceptable process, nor are good. Dead | X|

GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

raddevus10-Jul-18 5:32

raddevus

10-Jul-18 5:32

Yes, process is good.
I'm thinking you are agreeing with me. Smile | :)

Imagine if there was a giant library which had every function you'd ever need.
You'd just drag and drop the functions you want into a file in the order you want them to work and voila! You're done.
This is process in the extreme. Very repeatable. Very boring.

The ultimate CASE tool[^]!

den2k8810-Jul-18 5:37

10-Jul-18 5:37

raddevus wrote:
You'd just drag and drop the functions you want into a file in the order you want them to work and voila! You're done.
This is process in the extreme. Very repeatable. Very boring

And very unlikely... at least for all the software that isn't mass produced. Modern websites might be buildable this way but every other type of software (firmware and specialized sw) is next to impossible to be done like this in a viable way.

GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

raddevus10-Jul-18 5:42

raddevus

10-Jul-18 5:42

I believe you are agreeing with me again. Roll eyes | :rolleyes:

I don't want to work on an assembly line either. Smile | :)

So, I am glad that CASE tools fail.
Now, AI on the other hand will probably write better software than all of us humans. Roll eyes | :rolleyes:

den2k8810-Jul-18 5:48

10-Jul-18 5:48

raddevus wrote:
Now, AI on the other hand will probably write better software than all of us humans.

But will it resist armor piercing incendiary rounds? Big Grin | :-D

maybe one day infantry combat experience will become a required skill for a developer Big Grin | :-D

GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

Pete O'Hanlon9-Jul-18 23:28

Pete O'Hanlon

9-Jul-18 23:28

Was nostalgia more fun 40 years ago?

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Keith Barrow10-Jul-18 1:06

Keith Barrow

10-Jul-18 1:06

How come everything is electronic nowadays anyway, surely you could see how the centrifugal governor regulated the steam engine, and you could machine these yourself. Now it's all 555 timers and 8088 microprocessors!

KeithBarrow.net[^] - It might not be very good, but at least it is free!

Nelek10-Jul-18 1:11

Nelek

10-Jul-18 1:11

Keith Barrow wrote:
Now it's all 555 timers and 8088 microprocessors!

and 90% of it not needed / useless Wink | ;)

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OriginalGriff10-Jul-18 1:26

OriginalGriff

10-Jul-18 1:26

Nelek wrote:
90% of it not needed / useless

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Daniel Pfeffer10-Jul-18 3:57

Daniel Pfeffer

10-Jul-18 3:57

Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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kalberts10-Jul-18 2:54

kalberts

10-Jul-18 2:54

What do you mean by "useless" - it is not useless giving me an income!