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Processes are good. Cobbling together anything written by others in the dirtiest possible way are not an acceptable process, nor are good. 
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Yes, process is good.
I'm thinking you are agreeing with me. 
Imagine if there was a giant library which had every function you'd ever need.
You'd just drag and drop the functions you want into a file in the order you want them to work and voila! You're done.
This is process in the extreme. Very repeatable. Very boring.
The ultimate CASE tool[^]!
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raddevus wrote: You'd just drag and drop the functions you want into a file in the order you want them to work and voila! You're done.
This is process in the extreme. Very repeatable. Very boring
And very unlikely... at least for all the software that isn't mass produced. Modern websites might be buildable this way but every other type of software (firmware and specialized sw) is next to impossible to be done like this in a viable way.
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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I believe you are agreeing with me again. 
I don't want to work on an assembly line either.
So, I am glad that CASE tools fail.
Now, AI on the other hand will probably write better software than all of us humans.
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raddevus wrote: Now, AI on the other hand will probably write better software than all of us humans.
But will it resist armor piercing incendiary rounds?  maybe one day infantry combat experience will become a required skill for a developer
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Was nostalgia more fun 40 years ago?
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How come everything is electronic nowadays anyway, surely you could see how the centrifugal governor regulated the steam engine, and you could machine these yourself. Now it's all 555 timers and 8088 microprocessors!
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Keith Barrow wrote: Now it's all 555 timers and 8088 microprocessors!
and 90% of it not needed / useless  
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If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
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Nelek wrote: 90% of it not needed / useless
But ... but ... what would you do if your toaster couldn't connect to the internet? 
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The Object-Oriented Toaster
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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What do you mean by "useless" - it is not useless giving me an income!
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Do you really program toasters?
Or are you one of those spammers that use gadgets to create spam bot nets and get money with not so ethical processes?
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Actually, I do not know if I program toasters. Well, I certainly do not program the toaster application, but the core software for the embedded processor. I know that some of our customers embed our processors in rice cookers and even forks(!). Using them in toasters as well seems like a small step. If that is the case: Yes, I am responsible for some of the toaster software.
A few years ago, over the luch table my project group was discussing "the meaning of life", or specifically: Our working day life. The general agreement was that the world really doesn't "need" any of the products using our chips. They are just gadgets, toys, for enjoyment. In some cases they make life "simpler": You don't have to raise up to turn on the light switch, you can turn it on from your recliner using your smartphone. But that isn't a "need", it is just a convenience matter.
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Quote: You don't have to raise up to turn on the light switch, you can turn it on from your recliner using your smartphone. But that isn't a "need", it is just a convenience matter.
Don't rush to judgement, the person you are referring to could be physically disabled by a lack of legs or motivation to get up and do it himself.
On a serious note, if you ever really go into the "Necessities of Life" discussion again, you should really start to consider each and everything that you utilize or consume, I think you will find that apart from a very limited and short stack (not even sure it would even make into a stack) there is nothing that you really need, but either provides comfort or is a means to comfort.
To use your example
Quote: You don't have to raise up to turn on the light switch
You could also consider the light switch it self a comfort, since it comforts you by making you believe you will not get shocked by electricity and also succeeds in its purpose. Talking about that light bulb now, do you really need it? Or can you make do without one? I believe the answer is you can do without it, it will decrease your night productivity but also has the potential to increase your day's productivity. Now that you've eliminated light bulb you can eliminate electricity and go on to eliminate many of the other necessities of modern time.
Don't get me wrong I'm not against technology, heck my field is software development, I may just be more a philosopher than I am Programmer.
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OK, so tha's why we make all these "smarthome" things! Not to make a shitload of money on it, but from true, altruistic ideals: We want those poor, low income, physically challenged users to inves in a USD 1000 iPhone so that they don't have to roll their wheelchair over to the wall switch but can remain seated where they are sitting, using their iPhone without making any physical effort whatsovever...
OK, I do see some altruistic value in that approach too. In my view it is marginal. Just a way to try to excuse what yuu are doing.
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It's funny how you managed to mention IPhone and not Android Phone to an Android Developer, a Windows Phone lover and IPhone hater.
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CodeWraith wrote: The parts list for the modem includes lumber and a tennis ball.
Well, what else are you going to use for the acoustic coupler? 
And let's see just how much of Netflix you can watch using that modem!
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Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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40 years ago (or 30 in my case) we did more - we did hardware and software and all in-between...
Since then we got specialized...
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018
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Hmm that robot (or Driod?) I think I have seen him without arms...
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Surface mount killed kitchen table electronics while enabling what you're using to post on CP right now.
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You make me want to go down in my basement to dig up all my old BYTE issues from the late 1970s - I never got my collection complete from Isusse #1, but it is close.
One of the 70's DYI projects that I remeber well was a computer controlled wood stove. This guy had build a container for finely cut wood (it wasn't pellets, but roughly that size, I believe) with a funnel into his stove, so the wood could fall down by gravitation. This must have been a few years before the IBM PC; the computer may have been an Altair or Imsai, controlling the motor opening the hatch allowing more wood to fall down, and the motor opening/closing the air vent. What I don't remember is how he read the inputs - you couldn't simply buy a USB thermometer in those days...
When the magazines are ten years old, everybody ask "Why don't you throw that old sh*t out?" If you stubbornly cling to the magazines until they are fourty, everybody gasps: "What a treasure!"
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I had a huge number of magazines for quite a while including Byte, PC, and a bunch of IEEE and ACM journals. Sadly, I had to get rid of them a few moves ago. I managed to keep about two boxes of what I thought were outstanding issues though.
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My favorite mag (back then), mainly for circuit cellar....
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