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So wok. Everyone noodle about that! Soy what you will, but you can't just keep dumpling that kind of stuff on us
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Ah! The Mote in Hastur's Eye.
Is it's name Murcheson, by any chance?
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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I'm reading a C# book that was recommended on here recently and found this gem in the beginning.
Quote: The truth of the matter is that many of C#’s syntactic constructs are modeled after various aspects of Visual Basic (VB) and C++.
TROELSEN, ANDREW; Japikse, Philip. C# 6.0 and the .NET 4.6 Framework (Kindle Locations 3123-3124). Apress. Kindle Edition.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Funny, C# was modeled mostly after Java and C++, but no one ever mentions the Java part.
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Citation?
I always wanted to do that once. I used to be too trusting and took everybody's word for everything. 
I do remember hearing about the C++ part, but was copying Java not the typical accusation from the Javaites, used to dismiss C# as cheap imitation?
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Visual J++ - Wikipedia
Quote: Microsoft later developed the C# ("C Sharp") language as the primary language for the .NET platform, which was in many ways influenced by Java; subsequently the .NET Framework shares many ideas in common with Java. Much like Java, C# is compiled to a type of bytecode (called CIL), and runs on top of a virtual machine called the Common Language Runtime in .NET. Visual Studio 2005 was the last release to include J#.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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Sure, but even C# 1.0 took some things further than Java did at that time.
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I agree, there was good (and new) stuff from the start - it was kind of like an improved C++/Java language from day one and has evolved from their ever since.
J++ had some improvements over Java too, it was just a really poor choice of name that put off both Java and C++ developers from the start.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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The improvements on J++ were the reason for abandoning J++. Did they not put Microsoft before the choice of removing them or else losing the license for J++?
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It looks like it was more of a legal thing with Sun.. from 2002, Sun, Microsoft settle Java suit - CNET
Quote: A Microsoft representative said the dispute lingered for too long. "We don't think anyone wins, but considering the lawsuit has been ongoing for three years, this is a good conclusion to this controversy," said Microsoft spokesman Jim Cullinan.
With the deal struck, Cullinan said Microsoft will be allowed to continue to offer its existing Java products, including its popular J++ development tool, for the next seven years. Microsoft product manager Tony Goodhew said the company will include J++ as a separate CD with the next version of Visual Studio.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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Brent Jenkins wrote: It looks like it was more of a legal thing with Sun
One of the points of java was that you were supposed to be able to run it on any VM on any supported OS.
Microsoft made specific changes to their java that made it impossible to run on different VMs or even compile.
CNN - Sun alleges new Java violations by Microsoft - July 13, 1998[^]
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Hey, but we've got .NET Core now  
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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We don't think anyone wins
Wrong - the attorneys (always) win.
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Yeah, but the point is, it was based on Java. Way more than VB. I think that book author is just biased. I don't have citations, but I always heard that even MS hired some top Java guys to help with the initial design of C#.
As much as we love to hate Java, we still have it thank for what we use.
Jeremy Falcon
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Anders Hejlsberg - Wikipedia - he didn't work for Sun but he worked on Microsoft's J++ language.
Quote: In 1996, Hejlsberg left Borland and joined Microsoft. One of his first achievements was the J++ programming language and the Windows Foundation Classes; he also became a Microsoft Distinguished Engineer and Technical Fellow. Since 2000, he has been the lead architect of the team developing the C# language. In 2012 Hejlsberg announced his new project, TypeScript, a superset of JavaScript.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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And this move KILLED Borland. Anders was the key behind Delphi, which I still use and enjoy.
He made Delphi and C++ Builder produce interchangeable object files (compile in one, use in the other),
which also helped him with C# and VB. Same trick.
I used to have a Quick XXX and a Turbo XXX of just about everything back in the day. $99.00 bought you a lot!
Dang I feel old...
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Yep, I remember using C++ Builder back in the 1990's - it was a demo application I wrote in C++ Builder that landed me my first professional programming job (after spending about 12 years in electronics)
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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Is it worthwile to distinguish between "Based on Java" and "Based on experience with Java"?
It seems to me (own thoughts - no Wikipedia URL) that the C# designers sure made a thorough study of how Java served in practice, not just the formal language definition. Seeing how it was used, how the compiler handled it, how well the bytecode/VM idea worked in practice, made them go back to the drawing board, saying "OK, Java did it their way - some of it was successful, some of it was not. Now let us redo it in a way we believe will get at higher fraction of 'successful' elements." - Of course they did the same study of C++.
Whether you will call it "based on" or "based on experience with" may be a matter of taste, but to me, the former alternative suggests much more of "a further development of ...", which C# certainly is not from Java.
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Brent Jenkins wrote: Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
Right turn Clyde.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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I must say that a statement that says "C# is compiled to a type of bytecode (called CIL)" (my emphasis) makes me somewhat sceptical to the competence of the writer. I doubt very much that (s)he has implemented very many compilers
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Those who can, do.. those that can't, teach.. those that can't teach write Wikipedia articles
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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