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HobbyProggy31-Jan-18 1:23

HobbyProggy

31-Jan-18 1:23

Nothing.

I may drop out of the discussion, i am not a fan of the low carb hype-train, i am not a fan of energy boosters or high nutrient drinks for or after "workout".
I prefer the steady and probably more effort costing method.
And since our views differ on that alot i guess it's better not to argue about it.
Because in the end, everybody needs to find his way to do it Thumbs Up | :thumbsup:

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den2k8830-Jan-18 23:54

den2k88

30-Jan-18 23:54

I've manage to lose quite a bit, about 1.4 kg/week by walking fast (about 6 km/h) for 5 kms a day (basically walking from the train station to work each morning and each evening), eating mostly vegetables for lunch and fish or white meat with abundant vegetables at dinner. Carbs are ok but no more than 2/3 times per week.

The amount lost each week decreased with time since I had less luggage to drag around for each movement but I managed to lose 17 kg in 6 months.

Over the following years I managed to get them all back, first slowly and then always faster, due to back problems that kept me from exercising regularly and my usual gluttony that avalanched more and more. Now I'm on diet again + gym and I'm starting to lose weight again.

I'm just sharing my experience, maybe it will help you... BTW I don't drink except on very special occasions.

Good luck with you diet!

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Munchies_Matt31-Jan-18 0:30

31-Jan-18 0:30

Thanks, good to know it works.

Worried Brown Eyes31-Jan-18 0:24

Worried Brown Eyes

31-Jan-18 0:24

I got on very well with WeightWatchers - online only. I started because my partner did it, and just by eating the meals she was, still raiding the snack machine at work, still drinking like a fish at weekends, even I lost half a stone.

There are some cracking recipes on the site - we have about a seven week rotation of meals that we still eat even when not on the diet (Potato, Pea & Paneer Balti is a special favourite)

Munchies_Matt31-Jan-18 0:30

31-Jan-18 0:30

I am good for recipes, I love cooking, so no worries there! Smile | :)

Jörgen Andersson31-Jan-18 1:49

31-Jan-18 1:49

Munchies_Matt wrote:
That's it, I finally admitted I am fat.

Considering your old moniker, fat_boy, it can't be that recent.

Opinion: Don't go zero carb, your body will go into starvation mode and start spewing out huge amounts of enzymes to use every gram of the food you eat. Plus it makes you hungrier. That's simply how we are made.
So go low and slow, but don't cut it completely.

To keep the worst parts of losing weight at bay, (hunger, mood swings, and weakness) you need to think of your blood sugar level.

When the blood sugar is high, the surplus is stored away as fat. So, keep your portions smaller and reduce the amount of carbs. Especially the fast carbs that spikes your blood sugar.

When your blood sugar is low, the body doesn't just react by making you hungry, it also creates extra much enzymes to turn the fat and proteins you eat into energy. So you need to snack in between your meals to keep your blood sugar from dropping to much.

Then again, all these diets, low GI, LCHF and whatever is the hype is today, are better designed to keep you from gaining weight. To lose weight you simply need to eat less than you use. There's no way around that.

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Munchies_Matt31-Jan-18 1:54

31-Jan-18 1:54

Well, you cant go zero carb, plant fiber is a carb, so broccoli has a glycemic index of 40 or so, so in fact what it is a low GI diet, any carb lower than GI 50.

This stops blood sugar spiking up, triggering insulin and fat storage. Without the insulin the body starts to use its fat store instead of triggering hunger (because you dont go into a low blood sugar state).

One benefit of apple cider vinegar is helping to normalise blood sugar, so I am taking that too.

The pompey31-Jan-18 2:03

The pompey

31-Jan-18 2:03

I take apple cider vinegar for acid reflux - if I lose weight too that's an added bonus.

Jörgen Andersson31-Jan-18 2:06

31-Jan-18 2:06

Munchies_Matt wrote:
One benefit of apple cider vinegar is helping to normalise blood sugar,

Never heard of that, why would it do that?

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Munchies_Matt31-Jan-18 4:48

31-Jan-18 4:48

Apparently it slows the passage of food out of the stomach, so it doesnt hit the small intestine so fast, and give the sugar spike, so even if you eat carbs, ACV means a lower spike.

snorkie31-Jan-18 2:27

snorkie

31-Jan-18 2:27

Congrats Matt on making a change! I hope you find the willpower to reach all of your goals. The struggle is real!

Hogan

Munchies_Matt31-Jan-18 4:48

31-Jan-18 4:48

Thanks!

Eddy Vluggen31-Jan-18 2:30

31-Jan-18 2:30

Munchies_Matt wrote:
There isn't any point pretending, I am gross. So, time to do something about it

There's nothing gross about it, and 120 kg is enough to work as a bouncer. I'm underweight, so trying to do your opposite.

Munchies_Matt wrote:
Also taking apple cider vinegar, 2 teaspoons before a meal, and at night. Unpasteurised. Apparently it has good bacteria in it.

Yes, because it is fermented. Stuff like sauerkraut (on bread with a wurst, or "hotdog"), kefir (fermented milk, yoghurt like), kombucha (fermented tea), and any pickles contain similar bacteria. If you pasteurize any of those (or heat it in general), then some of the good bacteria in it will die. The sauerkraut has the added benefit of providing lots of fibers.

Munchies_Matt wrote:
Diet, basically zero carbs/low GI

So no more take-out Chinese or pizza? I do hope you have at least one cheat-day per month?

Munchies_Matt wrote:

And I am allowing myself red wine, say three glasses or so a night.

Fat: 1 gram = 9 calories
Protein: 1 gram = 4 calories
Carbohydrates: 1 gram = 4 calories
Alcohol: 1 gram = 7 calories

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Best wishes, hope you achieve your goal Smile | :)

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Jörgen Andersson31-Jan-18 2:43

31-Jan-18 2:43

You forgot the beer. Smile | :)

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Eddy Vluggen31-Jan-18 2:54

31-Jan-18 2:54

A single yeast-culture is a bit different from the probiotics-culture in sauerkraut Smile | :)

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Munchies_Matt31-Jan-18 4:51

31-Jan-18 4:51

Eddy Vluggen wrote:
120 kg is enough to work as a bouncer

I am 6 ft 4 (195 cm) and pretty hefty, I have a 120cm chest measurement for example, but also fat. A gut. And it disgusts me. Frown | :(

Yeah, kimchi too, any fermented stuff (except beer and wine) has good bacteria.

And yeah, no takeaway. I dont like takeaway anyway, I can cook way better at home, better than most restaurants, easilly. Thats part of the reason I got so big, I love food, I love cooking, and I love wine.

Eddy Vluggen31-Jan-18 5:01

31-Jan-18 5:01

Munchies_Matt wrote:
it disgusts me.

Any motivation will do Smile | :)

And after a bit time you'll get new rewards to keep you motivated - like having to buy lots new pants Big Grin | :-D

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Munchies_Matt wrote:
I dont like takeaway anyway, I can cook way better at home, better than most restaurants, easilly.

Never trust a skinny cook! But indeed, not very helpfull if you can cook great.

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Maximilien31-Jan-18 2:35

Maximilien

31-Jan-18 2:35

First and foremost:

Ask a bunch of nerds on a programming forum!!! That'll go well. Poke tongue | ;-P

seriously,

Go see a dietitian or a nutritionist.

spend a few bucks getting a good nutrition plan based on your lifestyle and need and goal.

I'd rather be phishing!

Eddy Vluggen31-Jan-18 2:56

31-Jan-18 2:56

Maximilien wrote:
Go see a dietitian or a nutritionist.

..and pay a lot for the latest official guidelines and nonsense.

You can keep your two liters of water per day Smile | :)

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Munchies_Matt31-Jan-18 4:53

31-Jan-18 4:53

Aint asking, just telling. Smile | :)

F-ES Sitecore31-Jan-18 2:57

F-ES Sitecore

31-Jan-18 2:57

You're going to fail in the long term because you've bought into the fitness-industry-myths. No industry works to put itself out of business, if what the fitness industry told you about weight loss worked then they'd be doing just that, so everything they tell you is a lie. Lies you (and from the replies, every other person on this thread) believe, so you are, I'm afraid, doomed to fail.

Think about it...if losing weight or maintaining a healthy weight was such a complex balance of what you eat and chemical interactions then why aren't the intelligent nations healthy and the stupid nations fat? Why do you only get an obesity crisis in countries where manual labour is rare and food is in abundance?

Jörgen Andersson31-Jan-18 3:32

31-Jan-18 3:32

Because we like good food, and can afford it. Roll eyes | :rolleyes:

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Munchies_Matt31-Jan-18 4:55

31-Jan-18 4:55

F-ES Sitecore wrote:
You're going to fail in the long term because you've bought into the fitness-industry-myths

But I am not doing any 'fitness' so I cant have.

F-ES Sitecore wrote:
doomed to fail.

I am dropping half a kilo a day. It works. It works for others, and it will work for me (In fact I have got down to 109 before doing the same diet) so you are wrong.

F-ES Sitecore31-Jan-18 5:10

F-ES Sitecore

31-Jan-18 5:10

Munchies_Matt wrote:
But I am not doing any 'fitness' so I cant have.

"Fitness industry" meaning the "health and fitness industry" so not just exercise but diet too.

Munchies_Matt wrote:
I am dropping half a kilo a day. It works.

Probably not for the reasons you think though, and I said you'd fail in the long-term. When your weight loss stops, and even returns, you'll turn to the same sources to get a different set of lies and you'll then think "ah, so *this* is the right way to do it", and when that ultimately fails you'll repeat the process. Why do you think so many "new" diets come out and why the advice changes on a weekly basis? To fool you into thinking something new or different has been discovered, to fool you into thinking the fault was the fault of the last process you followed but *this one* will be better. You will continue on that treadmill endlessly, always repeating your mistakes.

1) Eat less
2) Move more
3) Win

"Hey look, I've stopped going to Dominos and Burger King and I've lost some weight...the only possible explanation for that is because I'm eating fewer carbs".

Munchies_Matt31-Jan-18 5:13