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Not those guys with their hole-ier than thou attitude.
I'm pretty sure I would not like to live in a world in which I would never be offended.
I am absolutely certain I don't want to live in a world in which you would never be offended.
Freedom doesn't mean the absence of things you don't like.
Dave
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Cheeses Balboos
"Rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read." Frank Zappa 1980
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grralph1 wrote: Cheeses Balboos
Oh my. I guess I misheard when they referenced me. It sounded so much more like a 'J' than a 'Ch'
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If you ever downloaded the Fall Creator's Update install tool to create clean install media for the Fall Creator's Windows 10 version from here:
Download Windows 10[^]
You may have noticed that Edge will sometimes not work properly in the install that you created. If you try a Bing search in Edge, a service starts up that consumes near 100% of CPU time and it never stops. I don't recall the name of the service.
This issue apparently only occurs after a "clean" install, not after an upgrade. You can sometimes fix it by going to Settings and resetting the operating system, but that also only works sometimes.
Despite dozens of complaints about this issue on various Microsoft sites, the tool that you download has not been fixed so far. Very disappointing! 
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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Edge? Bing?
What are these things?
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Edge? Bing?
What are these things?
Edge is something you use to download browsers. Bing, as far as I can remember, was an old American crooner from the 1950's.
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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why waste time fixing things?
that just distracts them from adding more features.
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Sounds like a model for Agile programming
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That's not going to be a problem really is it? Who uses Bing AND Edge? 
Edge has 3.78% of the market share (latest figures I could find: Browser market share[^] ) and Bing mostly only gets used by mistake because bloody Cortana insists on it ...
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OK. I'm lagging behind youse guys because I use Edge and Bing, but when you all realize your mistake, make a 180 and start running in the other direction, I will be way out in front!
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Cornelius Henning wrote: ...I will be way out in front!
Of people going in the wrong direction?
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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Seriously: I find that Edge gives me all I want, and it's fast. When searching for something I will use both Bing and Google if necessary. 
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Unless you want Google to achieve a complete monopoly over internet search, you should use Bing. Only rival competition will help keep Google a little more honest in what search results they display to you.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); }
Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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Actually, if you consider Google's business model, sale of ads and follow-up click-throughs brought about by the search results (clearly labeled "Ad" in my browser), they are quite honest. That's why it's "Free".
Sounds like that piece-of-crap lawsuit in the EU that would fine Google billions for doing just what it's supposed to do (and blaming Google that it has too much of the market).
There's a lot of things I hate about Google - but that they prioritize paying clients in searches is absolutely not one of them
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Yes, they may be somewhat transparent now but what would happen if they achieved complete and total dominance over search? If Google search was the only way to find things on the internet, they could easily engage in a pay-to-display model where the your site is ranked not on relevance but on how much you pay Google. If you don't pay, it doesn't show up (in top X amount of results).
Dont' get me wrong, I like a lot of Google's web products and use them frequently but I also understand the dangers of economic monopolies. By dividing my searches between Google and Bing, I feel like I am doing my part in preventing one from crushing the other, thereby increasing diversity of services on the internet.
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Foothill wrote: pay-to-display model where the your site is ranked not on relevance but on how much you pay Google.
That's the current model. Afterwards the real ranked finds show.
Even that, however, has it's own dirty laundry as SEO can be bought and paid for. When it was big news (i.e., the EU lawsuit) - in the EU, Google had 90% market share whilst in the US, only 70%. I noted the values as, for some reason, the EU (having no viable search engine of their own) was holding Google accountable because their own citizens prefer it over the alternatives.
Really - considering the brilliance of the average PC owner, a bigger worry would be who paid to have their search engine set as the default, along with the bloatware per-installed on the system, trying to get you to choose the readily available product (paid placement) over a wiser choice. And, of course, toolbars.
For better or worse, this is indeed what makes the world go round: the competition is simply relocated to the vendors. After all, do you think Bing is without product placement payment? If is is, what are the odds that the same companies pay for placement on both.
It has no need to become "less transparent" - they're making out well just the way it is.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: they're making out well just the way it is
That's kind of the point that I am trying to make. Things are working out now because there is competition in search. I just don't want to see a world where there is only one source of information left. I don't want see any one company have the power to choose what information we see and don't see. I don't live behind the Great Firewall and I certainly don't want to.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: for doing just what it's supposed to do
Of all naive posts on forums in the world, this one must rank in the top 3-
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Foothill wrote: Only rival competition will help keep Google a little more honest in what search results they display to you.
Actually, China does a good job of keeping them honest.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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The problem is that Google is a better search engine. Google are well aware of what they do well (search engines, translators, human interfaces, browsers, artificial planets, ...) and Microsoft ... um ... what are they good at these days? Apart from Visual Studio (which is getting slower and less bug-fixed with each revision), SQL Server, and Excel (the finest spreadsheet known to man, buggered up a bit by the Ribbon) all their products are either poor, or "better with version n".
There is a reason why Edge has less than 4% of the market, despite being heavily hyped and installed with the OS: it's not as good for real world users as Chrome / Firefox.
There is a reason why Bing doesn't get as many users, despite being heavily hyped and tied into the OS: It's not as good for real world users as Google.
And until MS wakes up, smells the coffee and realises that the real world is ignoring their products, that isn't going to improve.
Don't get me wrong, I like Windows (just 7 was better than 8 or 10, but I have to use 10), I love VS; but MS are shooting themselves in the foot every time they step outside their core competence. And these days, that's everywhere they go.
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OriginalGriff wrote: The problem is that Google is a better search engine.
This is not entirely accurate. Each search engine is better in filling certain demands. At work, were most of my searches are geared around C#, MVC, ASP.NET, T-SQL, or another in-use Microsoft product, I use Bing more-often-than-not because the results are better tailored and ranked to my technical searches. I use Google when I need access to a broad category where their depth of search excels.
Oh, and Bing Image search just kills Google Image search in, ahem, certain ways.
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OriginalGriff wrote: and Microsoft ... um ... what are they good at these days?
elephanting users? If they are not the best, they are at least good enough   
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Give Yandex a try if you are inclined to reactionary tendencies regarding Google 'hegemony'?
History is the joke the living play on the dead.
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Unless you want to find absolutely nothing rleated to what you're searching, you shouldn't use Bing. At work we can use only Bing and boy, it sucks. Sometimes I make searches from my phone on Google with the same search string and I find immediately what I need.
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