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I haven't been hard drive shopping in over a year and I am curious when these little gems hit the market. I would also like to see if anybody has used them yet and hear what their thoughts are.
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I would say, try it  In six month the next hipe is ready to retry 
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If you have been using SATA SSD, you won't feel a lot of speedup with M.2 SSD, unless your workload consists of many sequential read/write which I highly doubt so. My home PC has 120GB SATA SSD(Primary) for OS and 500GB M.2 SSD(Secondary) for games and Visual Studio solutions/projects and a 1TB HDD to keep downloaded stuff.
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I got one with my latest portable. They are faster than many (most?) SSDs, but if you already use an SSD, you won't notice a major performance increase. I don't know about the power requirements; perhaps the manufacturers' websites will have some information.
As far as I can see, their major advantage is to portable manufacturers - having a smaller form factor allows them to make slimmer devices.
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My systems drive is a Samsung 850 Pro, and really, I don't need anything faster!
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There is always room for improvement; as far as I'm concerned, if non-volatile storage is not as fast as volatile storage, it is too slow.
(And no, the solution isn't slowing down the volatile storage. )
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Quote: the solution isn't slowing down the volatile storage
Rats! That is what I was going to suggest! 
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I have a slightly different viewpoint: if volatile storage is not as big as non-volatile storage, it is too small.
I'll favour size over speed, any day.
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If non-volatile storage were as fast as volatile storage, we could dispense completely with volatile storage. All computers would have a built-in "sleep mode" - all that would be needed would be to store the state of the CPU at the moment of shutdown, which is very fast. In fact, as the current CPU state is stored at every task switch, this implies that "sleep mode" would just be another task.
OTOH, given that the working set of all the programs that you run simultaneously is much smaller than the entire non-volatile storage, I see no good reason for volatile storage to be of the same size as non-volatile storage. Also, writing/reading a few TB of volatile storage when entering/leaving "sleep mode" would make a computer extremely slow to sleep/wake.
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Sure, but the amount of data I can store is more important to me than the few milliseconds of access time to be gained -- particularly on laptops, where there isn't always space for a second drive, so smaller drives cause lag, anyway.
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I'll favour size over speed, any day.
That's what she said.
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OK, I finally got my system up and running.
I've got an Asus Z170 motherboard with an Intel i7-6700K CPU. The M.2 drive is a Samsung 960EVO 500GB PCIe NVMe. Holy sh*t this thing is elephanting fast! As far as sequential reads go, it really is 5x faster than a normal SSD. I'm getting read rates of 2.9GB/sec, compared to 511MG/sec for a SATA SSD, and 1.8GB/sec write. The 960 PRO version is even faster!
Do a little homework on the M.2, NVMe specifications and then get a motherboard with it's M.2 connectors on the PCIe bus and make sure they give you 4 PCIe lanes for transfers. That'll give you the fastest transfer rate possible today.
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Almost 3 gigs a second!? That's fast. Is that with a single hard drive or a raid configuration?
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That's a single drive.
You can RAID them together if you've got the capability of having more than one M.2 drive on the motherboard or in expansion slots. Keep in mind that each PCIe connected drive is going to use either 2 or 4 PCIe lanes and your motherboard chipset only gives you a limited number of extra lanes to play with. If you're going to add multiple video cards, those are going eat up the extra lanes before you get around to adding more M.2 drives.
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Good to know. I don't think I will need that kind of power on my home rig yet (the games I play stress the CPU more then the GPU) but it might be very useful for building data application sandboxes with multiple containers/virtual machines on a development box.
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It'll do very well on an NVMe drive. At work, I've got a machine dedicated as a virtual host on my desk with 24GB of RAM and a 1TB SATA SSD. I can run 4 machines simultaneously with a little degradation in speed on them compared to running Windows directly on the host.
Swap out that SATA SSD with an NMVe drive and you could probably run 5 machines simultaneously without any degradation in speed.
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Hmm, the wheels are turning. You could make one nice little physical MS SQL database server with a couple of those and a mini ITX motherboard and server tower. With just one PCIe slot and no need for graphics you could put the Log and Temp files on two M.2 sticks in the PCI slot, data goes in a hot-swapable Raid 5 SATA SSD x4 array, with C: and backups on plain old spinning disks. It's not data-center grade but it would be quite respectable for under $800.
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The update to fix the updater.
(the above is an exercise in recursive recursion)
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We're celebrating here with an Update Party.
We'll basically be standing around doing our normal activity, maybe eating a meal.
Then, suddenly, we'll just stop doing anything.
Maybe if we're right in the middle of chewing some pizza, suddenly we'll stop.
Then we'll all just start randomly yelling things out. Then we'll all go home, change our clothes.
After that, we'll return to the party and finish chewing our pizza.
It's going to be super fun!!!!!
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raddevus wrote: Maybe if we're right in the middle of chewing some pizza, suddenly we'll stop. Then we'll all just start randomly yelling things out. Then we'll all go home, change our clothes. After that, we'll return to the party and finish chewing our pizza.
Some will likely throw up the pizza (unsaved open documents)
Some will forget where home is and never be seen again, (crash)
others will come back wearing their small children's clothing, one or two may even be naked (settings/prefs reset/lost forever)
a few may finish chewing their pizza, others will choke unable to swallow nor spit it out, (app crash/rendered incompatible)
it's not over yet, some will go home again and change again, and again, and again
microsoft will suggest sending the lost ones to nursary, and start over from there. (clean re-install)
and the ms fanlemmings will be cheering, saying how great ms is and that their sh*t smells like roses.
Sin tack ear lol
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Not sure which one you're referring to. Microsoft is pushing updates to the updater every few months; they're generally referred to as "servicing stack updates".
The last one to come out was just 3 days ago (KB3211320). Are you seeing some specific problem?
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I think he may have been referring to the thread about the next Windows 10 update, a few threads down.
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The fact that installing the update increases disk usage by 2GB?
Windows 10 tends to clean up older files that have been updated after 30 days or so on its own, unlike previous versions. Unless you're using a tablet with 8GB or some-such (hello, HP Stream 7), I wouldn't worry too much about it...
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I am not worried. I have tons of spare space on my systems drive, but I thought I should mention it for the sake of someone who may not be in the same position.
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I think the OP was a joke.
We need a woosh smiley.
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The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
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