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den2k88 wrote: Espresso in the UK (the only place I visited enough to feel at ease when I'm there) is usually terrible so there's no point in taking it
You've got that right.
One of the items on my "plus" list for not living in the UK is the espresso.den2k88 wrote: it's a large glass of warm milk with just a tint of coffee in it
So it's a macchiato rovescio? At least that makes more sense -- "milky coffee tainted with milk" doesn't.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: So it's a macchiato rovescio?
More like an oversixed cappuccino with an undersized espresso as the coffee base. Usually it's only referred as "latte", so if you actually wish to drink simple plain milk you should specify "latte bianco" else they will drop coffee in (and my girlfriend hates it since she doesn't drink coffee).
When someone says that he/she doesn't drink coffee it's looked strangely upon, like some sort of disease, even worst that beeing a teetotaler! My girlfirend doesn't like alcohol nor coffee and she's basically considered a freak 
BTW, I took an espresso at Radisson hotel in London, all extra-luxury and 4£ for a coffee. It tasted like s**t. Worst experience ever. I needed to stay awake for other 14 hours and it was 9:30 pm, so I coughed the dough anyway. Never again.
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Just remember, Folgers was around way before Starbucks. With that said, Folgers sucks.
I prefer some of the stronger coffees, not much of stickler on brand names, as long as it has medium to bold flavor.
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I usually can taste the difference (I am talking about espresso, of course), but, at the end, what I really need is the caffeine.
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I agree. I started because its free caffeine at the office!
Hogan
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The best part of waking up is folgers in your cup.
- I think I'll get a refill.
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I do enjoy coffee but not really a coffee snob. I always find the people who are coffee snobs are also the people who, when discussing steak, can't have it anything but rare\blue and can't simply say "I like it rare" but instead have to have a soliloquy of analogy; "If the stake has been more than pushed passed a candle on a roller-skate then I'm sending it back...there is no point in eating any steak that couldn't be revived by a good vet. You've ruined it unless it's only been heated by a 40W lightbulb swung from a cat's tail....."
"I'll have mine medium, thanks."
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I get soliloquist only when the coffee is burned - that is usually fault of the person who made it (even if some coffees are toasted too much at the source) or when it's too acid. And it happens way too often, even in Italy (where everyone and their dog will claim there is no better coffee. Bulls*.)
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
* GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.
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Coffee is mostly coffee.
Am I not a coffee snob.
Most of the time, I buy regular vacuum sealed coffee (cimo, Illy...) from the supermarket for the office espresso machine.
I also buy, when I go to a coffee shop, 3rd wave coffee (Anchored, Metropolis, Parallel...) for said office espresso machine.
Is there a difference, yes; but like in most things like this, it is subtle, especially if you add sugar and/or milk.
I assume Both your Starbucks and Folgers are generic ground coffee; and will taste like it; GF bought a keurig thing and the coffee is just OK drip coffee.
I'd rather be phishing!
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Go find an empty Starbucks coffee container and dump the Folgers coffee in it.
Bryian Tan
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While the snobs would be able to tell the difference, it would be entertaining to hear them complain, or enlightening if they didn't!
Hogan
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That would be a good case study.
Bryian Tan
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I were a President, I would twatter: Starbucks So-Called "Coffee"
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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But starbucks is yuge!
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US coffee isnt coffee, it is unpleasantly roasted. Try any southern european coffee (espresso), or Turkish, if you want to taste simply great coffee.
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Agreed. A good Turkish coffee after lunch really hits the spot!
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Havent had one in a while, but they are damned good. 
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My favorite has a bit of a long name, "the one that's on sale".
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As I am wont to say, going to Starbucks for coffee is akin to going to prison for sex. You'll get what you ask for but not what you want!
veni bibi saltavi
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If I was drinking a Starbucks I would have just sprayed it all over the screen.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Just doing my job.
veni bibi saltavi
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To reply to your question, yes I am a coffee snob [passim]. I have a portable espresso machine on my desk and I can have as much real coffee as I want. ![Java | [Coffee]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/coffee.gif)
veni bibi saltavi
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Bottom line - if you wish to skip the read: Coffee Snob works both ways: making Starbucks the whipping boy is as snobby as worshiping the bag it comes in.
Bashing Starbucks is often PC for the right-wing - possibly because they see Starbucks as a left-wing enclave. Then main difference, in the store, is that Starbucks puts much more coffee in their coffee.
I'm no coffee gourmet but there is a difference in coffees. I prefer "Latin roast" to standard "American roast", the former is a darker roast. Other people don't like the acidity that increases with the darker roasting. A lot of time it's just what they're used to, or getting on the band-wagon with those around them.
They actually do Folgers where I am, now. I donated a bag of Cafe Caribe, which actually cost less, and everyone loved it. Still, it's back to Foglers because they bought a lot.
Starbucks (or any other coffee), if brewed out-of-the-store, will be better or worse more on your technique then the coffee, itself. I was quite OK with the Folgers when they finally put in enough coffee so it didn't taste watery. None-the-less, there are serious taste differences in coffee. For a Starbucks type, for example, I like the "Sumatra" type - but there are others types because other people like others better. Some I don't like at all.
As I said - I am no coffee - and am glad of it, so I can be content with anything that's strong enough (and not made from rancid beans). If the coffee's a bit unsavory - there are extremes in all things, I can drop some Star Anise into the pot and it will soon be rich and mellow. The Star Anise is reusable, too, for quite a few pots of coffee (works better after the first).
So - really - my coffee taste is rich and mellow. I don't need to put a brand name on that to love it or hate it. That would be a real waste.
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As a Melbournean it's my destiny, or possibly doom, to be a coffee snob.
I'm also not right-wing. I'm common-sense-wing.
Coffee goes wrong (in my view) two ways
1. They burn or otherwise do horrible things to the beans.
2. They burn or otherwise do horrible things to the milk.
Grinding the beans incorrectly, not cleaning the espresso machine, scorching the beans, pulling too long, not having enough pressure will make the shot 'orrible. Then the bizarre need in North America to steam the milk to around the melting point of tin. Have they not heard of protein denaturing[^]?? Crikey.
Starbucks nails it on both counts: they love their beans black as the Ace of Spades[^] and their milk ready and able to inflict 3rd degree burns.
Tone it down a bit on both fronts and they have a chance.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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You do know their are non-Espresso options both in and out of StarBucks?
And I never met a latte . . . that I liked.
Protein denaturing . . . unless you always eat your eggs raw, that shouldn't bother you.
That, however, all distances itself from coffee - which, if basically just flavored milk is just that - flavored milk. REAL PROGRAMMERS DON'T DRINK LATTE ! Actually, the only practical use for any steamed milk beverage is to spill on someone else's keyboard.
My favorite coffee cooker is vacuum drip - followed by mud (very finely ground coffee just dumped in the mug, then add boiling water). Only myself to blame for good or bad -
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