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Hi all,

at the end I have bought a new laptop for my wife. It come with SSD and HDD, win 10 preinstalled.

After changing to legacy in BIOS I could start with my Norton Ghost 2003 Boot CD, but then I got some error messages I never saw before. I have search a while and done some tests but sadly without success.

I suppose my boot cd is a bit too old and can't manage the new styles with Win10. (Other PCs or Laptops with Win7 had no problem at all though)

I am starting to think on changing tool and would like to know... what are you using to make your backup images in your Win10 machines?

M.D.V.

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modified 4-Feb-17 10:14am.

To boot an old MBR CD set BOTH secure boot to disabled and legacy boot on. Then you still have to find the Fn key for your laptop to either set the boot order is the bios setup so the CD is first or find the temporary boot device list Fn key.

Fun Fun Fun.

I have been able to boot it, the problem is once it starts cloning. It complains about corruptetd NTFS

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Must be a ghost-y issue. I use Acronis for such things and live image it with the os up. Acronis will default to reading sectors if there is an issue with the file system.

Many imagers has difficulty with hybrid drives. Mechanical big backend drives with a smaller ssd front end. - they're trouble anyway.
Make sure it's not one of those.

Win10 in a 128 SSD with 3 partitions: typical 100 Mb for boot, 127 Gb NTFS for OS, 1 GB free

Data in a 1 TB HDD NTFS

I come up to starting image creation, but it aborts in the next 5 sec with the error.
I suppose my version is just to old for new systems.

M.D.V.

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I vote for Acronis as well. Mature product product. Good web site. All past versions in archive along with updates. Thumbs Up | :thumbsup:

Taking a wild guess, since you're trying to use a 14 year old tool it doesn't actually support the current flavor of NTFS. MY first guess would be lack of support for GPT (vs MBR); but I'd've expected that to be a total can't read drive failure.

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Yes.. that was my guess too. I can see the drives and the partitions, but when it starts it fails within seconds. So the problem is while actually reading the data, which points to format incompatibilities.

Thanks for your comment Smile | :)

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AOMEI Backupper[^] - I may have mentioned it before: damn good software, the free version is excellent and full featured - you can create an image and later restore it, or load it as a virtual disk to retrieve individual files if you need them. I bought it in the end, because the developers deserve the money!

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may have mentioned it before

You did !

OriginalGriff wrote:
damn good software, the free version is excellent and full featured

It definitely is !

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Thank you... I will have a look

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And you won't regret it. It's working wonderfully well. Thumbs Up | :thumbsup:

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The only thing I don't really like is... you have to install it first, so you can use it.

The thing I loved from my boot cd is that you didn't need anything. Just put CD in and that's all, you could do images or restore images... all without installing anything.

M.D.V.

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I've never used it but they have a PXEBoot tool that should help you in that.

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If you don't mind you could expand that information (if it is more confortable for you, use the E-Mail instead of open answer)
By the way.. if Email, you can write on spanish.

M.D.V.

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Hi Nelek,

I don't mind, but I believe I'll not be able to help a lot...

But I can send you the links I've found on their web site:

http://www.aomeitech.com/pe-builder.html[^]

Here it looks like their PE Builder comes with all the needed software integrated...

Also they offer the PXE Boot tool that allows you to handle all the images from network...

http://www.aomeitech.com/pxe/pxe-boot-software.html[^]

But this is another story...

Hope the first one will help you and be what you are after...

PS: I'm super curious now... how come you speak Spanish?

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Hi Joan,

I thought you were speaking about other thing. I already saw that infos. The Boot CD can be use to restore, but not to create the images (as far as I know, I have not played much yet)

Joan M wrote:
PS: I'm super curious now... how come you speak Spanish?

see my profile Wink | ;)

BTW... I have to update it D'Oh! | :doh:

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I've been several times at Verl (near to Paderborn) in Germany to receive specialized trainings in Beckhoff.

Which kind of PLCs did you use?
And which kind of automation projects did you participate in?

Mira que la vida da vueltas... Laugh | :laugh:

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I have given a try... and the result was not so good.

I have installed AOEMI in one Win7 Laptop. Then I have created the Boot-CD with WinPE. So far so good.

I have changed the Win10 Laptop boot type to Legacy, Inserted the CD, started up, got to the menu so far so good

But...

crap 1) The booted WinPE doesn't react to mouse or keyboard (but keyboard works, ALT+Space gives the menu to minimize/maximize of the window and ALT+F4 shuts it down). Had a look in AOEMI's forum, the problem was already on 2015 and haven't been solved yet.

crap 2) Now... my laptop won't boot in legacy mode anymore. Somehow the WinPE has corrupted something in the legacy structure... I am looking for information about this, but nothing so far...

UEFI is still working fine (thanks heaven).

In this moment my opinion about the software is way not so good as yours.

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Macrium's Reflect is my choice. It works *great* with Windows 10. It has saved my bacon on many occasions.
You may also take a look at AOMEI Backupper, but I have not tried it myself.
Both these options have free versions.

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Another up vote for Macrium, with a down vote for Aomei.

Set up backup for client, they didn't want less savvy users to access the backups 'without assistance' - apparently some dumbass had daily deleted all the backup files on a mounted share because he was running out of space on his main drive. (Also wanted protection so now they can't see/read each others backups etc. etc).
Anyhoo, Aomei could not mount the backup files to do restores. Firstly browse for file has no option to type a path (point and click only), and double clicking the incremental file in explorer threw up because it still couldn't find the parent file even though in same folder. Tech support no response, luckily was still in 30 day trial.
(Even on visible drive Aomei restore sucks, but people love it because it's '1-click only' backup. Surprising the number of people that swear by their backups, and never test restore.)

Sin tack ear lol
Pressing the any key may be continuate

I have had a look to the site... they do have a one-click solution but they offer other stuff too.

I will test both of them.

Lopatir wrote:
Surprising the number of people that swear by their backups, and never test restore

I know...
My usual process is:
- Restore from las image I did
- Windows updates + other changes I did (Software, Settings... whatsoever)
- Do backup image
- Restore from new image
- If restore OK, install tiny apps I don't want in Backup
- If restore NOT OK, start over again.

And this 2 or 3 Times a year.

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See my new answer to OG... AOEMI has somehow corrupted my legacy mode in Win10 Laptop. I will have a look to the Macrium...

To be honest... no idea what to do now to repair it.

On the meanwhile... I will try Macrium, hopefully it doesn't make any worst.

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Thank you... I will have a look.

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With Reflect, make sure you create the bootable rescue media (USB drive or CD) for every machine that you want to image. This will ensure that the right drivers for a particular machine are included in the rescue media for that machine and will avoid disappointment later when you try to boot from the media.

And: Regardless which app you choose: Be sure to check that the machine can be booted from its rescue media. if there is a glitch, you want to know about it before you desperately need to re-image a drive.

And: I keep my data on a separate drive. My systems drive only contains Windows and all applications. That means my systems drive images are not bloated up by data. My data I back up separately. However, you obviously cannot do this on a single drive laptop, unless you keep the data in a separate partition. With Macrium you can select the partition(s) that you want to backup.

And: I always use Macrium to verify every new image. Better to know if an image's integrity is compromised before you actually need it.

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