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CDP1802 wrote: anyone with half a brain...
Should be able to finish their sentence.  
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I am, but anyone with half a brain would not need it.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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CDP1802 wrote: anyone with half a brain would not need it.
Need what? The other half of the sentence? I'm so confused. 
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I think the "it" needs to be capitalised. IT. Microsoft provide IT.
Seriously though - I think some of these comments are a little off topic. You are both entitled to your opinions - which will be valued in inverse square of the number of posted messages.
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pmauriks wrote: I think some of these comments are a little off topic.
Exactly! 
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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And note that not unconditionally loving absolutely everything that the US corporation in question does means that you're a "hater".
Fanboi/wumao handbook rules:
0: The only defence is an immediate offence
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I haven't used it but I imagine you'd gain exposure as some people will only buy through the store. You will pay Microsoft a percentage, I would imagine, but if it helps you gain customers than it might be worth it.
And, if it's in the store, I believe, that means it has passed at least some certification process and should be considered a safe and reliable program to run.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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The only - and very theoretical - advantage of the Windows Store is publicity...
In your current position, you have to find a way to promote your site/application, while in the Store you will be on front page for at least 0.00756 seconds for free (and after that on the back page for eternity)...
Now if you are going to visit the Store, you will find that searching for an application (by topic or directly) is a but more complicate than logging in to MSDN using Live Account...
Also, the moment you are in Windows Store, you, your application and your customers are subject a bunch of Microsoft policies... and those policies are changing like the wind...
Also, the moment you are in Windows Store, you have no tools to promote yourself, while when you are on your own, you can decide any day to put more effort in it or not...
All-in-all, I can't see no benefits (for you, as for Microsoft the benefits are clear)...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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It can be extremely useful, if you have low blood pressure and too much money.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Okay, let's turn this on the head slightly. Right now, you have a web site that you sell it through. This means that you have to pay for infrastructure costs to host the software. You also have to manage the payment handling which, if you are selling in multiple countries, can be a legal nightmare because you should be managing things such as applying the right taxes, etc. This also means that your bank account may need to be vetted by banks to ensure that you aren't inadvertently supporting AML (money laundering). That's legal and jurisdictional hassle that you currently have to deal with. Moving this to the responsibility of the app store removes this headache from you.
This space for rent
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You have some wrong points here:
1. Hosting - it is very cheap nowadays...
2. Payment processing - all you need is a PayPal (or similar) account, and you solved all the management/taxing problems
3. Both can be solved in one place if you are using some cloud, like Amazon E3...
And from experience - getting the money from Microsoft doesn't solve you the problem of accusation from the bank about money laundry... You still will have to present a detailed billing list to prove you innocent...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: And from experience - getting the money from Microsoft doesn't solve you the problem of accusation from the bank about money laundry...
On the contrary. That's only the last evidence they need to think you are some kind of Mafioso. 
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: 1. Hosting - it is very cheap nowadays...
Well, that really depends. Yes, you can get cheap hosting but getting hosting that supports failover, etc, is a massive headache and can rapidly escalate costs.Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: 2. Payment processing - all you need is a PayPal (or similar) account, and you solved all the management/taxing problems
I find that one a funny one. You'll be surprised how many businesses won't buy from you if your only payment option is PayPal, or perhaps you won't be surprised. Yes, if you're only dealing with B2C, you might be able to get away with this, but B2B then you are probably going to have to roll out a much more robust payment system.Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: 3. Both can be solved in one place if you are using some cloud, like Amazon E3...
I thought you were talking about cheap options. Cloud options can run up some very nasty costs, very quickly. There is no such thing as a free lunch here.
This space for rent
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: I find that one a funny one. You'll be surprised how many businesses won't buy from you if your only payment option is PayPal, or perhaps you won't be surprised. Yes, if you're only dealing with B2C, you might be able to get away with this, but B2B then you are probably going to have to roll out a much more robust payment system.
For that there's always Western Union: thousands of thriving businesses in far away places like Ukraine, Russia and even remote countries like Nigeria with unreliable internet have had no problem taking suckers getting money that way.
Sin tack
the any key okay
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I think you hit the nail right on the head. Microsoft's "more eyeballs" argument has never been terribly convincing amongst developers (IMO), given the "success" of the store.
But if they can make managing payment their problem, and not yours, then it's a great thing to get out of the way. Perhaps this is what Microsoft should emphasize when they try to pitch the store to developers.
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Getting more eyeballs to your product listing/site/etc. is almost never a bad thing. You just need to figure out what pain is required to get listed in the Windows Store, and then decide if it's worth the pain to get the extra eyeballs.
On the other hand, you have different fingers. - Steven Wright
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Yes finally you have to be true.
First I really must be stupid to ask the question in the first place.
I think inside me I have already make the choice and I was searching some comfort to justify my choice.
Thanks to all of you anyway.
What I will do is to start with my own Web site and with Windows store at the same time.
I promise you that if I do some sales I will give you the results in six months.
Many Thanks to all.
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The first question is, whether you move on to WPF. The next is, whether you move on to Universal Windows Platform (UWP). And then comes the Store question.
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You don't need to move your winforms app to WPF or UWP.
You can use the Microsoft desktop converter.
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this isn't an either/or question; you can continue your online business AND get a store listing. There's a lot of support from Microsoft to help you join. You know about desktop converter already. The conversion isn't difficult, the only thorn is changing your registration code
I did it some months ago, and although the sales aren't spectacular, they do exist. In the future Microsoft may force everybody to go on the store, if you believe the news
I believe that to be successful in the Store, you must offer a free/very cheap version, and make money through in-app purchases. Mine is quite expensive for store terms
Along the way you will find that many things are broken, it is very sad, but there could be an advantage for the future jumping on board early
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Here are some cases where it might help:
- Updates: it makes it easier for your customers to get updates for your app
- Visibility: being a popular app in the store increases your chances of your app being recommended to - other users through the "Picks for you" or "Popular apps" categories on the store
- Let's say you have a new feature to your new app and want to roll the update only to a few of your customers before releasing it to everyone. Windows store makes hat easier for you.
- Notifications
- Analytics/Crashes/Hangs are easily visible in your Dev Center
- Easily distributing your app in multiple languages
As stated, the downside is that 30% of the acquisitions made through your app go to Microsoft
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30% ?! 
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It's the same on App Store and Play Store. So, why so shocked?
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