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Marc Clifton wrote: I don't mind doing the security updates, it's all the other crap that I don't want
Keep in mind that for Windows 10, everything's now bundled into so-called Cumulative Updates, so whether you want "all the other crap" or not, you'll get it.
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They know what's best for you.
They know what's best for you.
They know what's best for you.
Resistance if futile.
Exterminate! Exterminate!
Um, urh, I forgot what I was going to say.
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Nah, it's more like the Cybermen, "You WILL be upgraded!"
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Marc Clifton wrote: nothing to do with the fact that I bought her a new laptop
Thank god. If I had to marry everyone I bought a computer with...
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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Quote: I'm upgrading my trusty Windows 7 machine to W10
Dark side? Welcome to the light! 
Quote: First thing after it installs, disable Windows Update
Nooo! Don't go back to the dark side, stay with us! 
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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Marc Clifton wrote: First thing after it installs, disable Windows Update.
Second thing after it installs, get your entire PC encrypted for free by the latest ransomware trojan. 
Hope you've got good backups, or several hundred dollars of Bitcoin to spare.
Troy Hunt: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update, just don't[^]
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Richard Deeming wrote:Troy Hunt: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update, just don't
What's fascinating about that post is the reader comments. There's so many things Microsoft has done wrong with Windows Update. 
Marc
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Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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Like others, I lost work in Win10 because of it. Some may deride, but WU is disabled on my m/c. That is not to say I don't update - I do, but when I want, not when MS wants. And I pay attention to the news. When Creators Update comes through for me, I may turn it on again, with some of their new policies enabled. Until then, yes, I'm living on the edge. But it is my choice, and I haven't lost any more work.
Sudden Sun Death Syndrome (SSDS) is a very real concern which we should be raising awareness of. 156 billion suns die every year before they're just 1 billion years old.
While the military are doing their part, it simply isn't enough to make the amount of nukes needed to save those poor stars. - TWI2T3D (Reddit)
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Congratulations on upgrading from Girlfriend #n to Fiancee 1, may the experience be smooth and interesting.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: may the experience be smooth and interesting.
I think smooth and interesting are mutually exclusive. At least, that's been my experience. 
Marc
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raddevus wrote: How is this better than my laptop (with an i7, 8GB ram, 500GB SSD) which was $699?
It isn't.
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R. Giskard Reventlov wrote: It isn't.
I always instantly recognize extremely intelligent people.
They agree with my point!
But seriously, I just don't get this. In this case the manufacturers have driven the choice instead of the customer.
Maybe it's always been that way. 
I like pad devices, but only for certain purposes and when they are cheaper.
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raddevus wrote: But seriously, I just don't get this. In this case the manufacturers have driven the choice instead of the customer.
In a way it has always been that way, even in the days of 8 bit home computers. Sometimes it was the price or the right advertising or simple availability that decided which product made it. The crowd was looking for something to buy and someone was able to herd them away from the competition. The rest is something like a snowball effect.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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I'm sure you are right about that. It was just an interesting cycle to go through as the market declared that PCs were over and I was sitting in front of a PC every day doing my work.  As I'm sure you were too.
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PCs are not going away. People who actually do some work with computers need them. The main reason why bosses like PCs is that they are made from cheap off the shelf components and cost a little less than notebooks or tablets.
The people who turn away from PCs never really wanted or needed one in the first place. They only want to affectionally stroke their phone all day and become a danger to themselves and others when they do that while driving or running across the street without looking up.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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CDP1802 wrote: affectionally stroke their phone all day and become a danger to themselves and others when they do that while driving or running across the street without looking up
That's a very apt summary of technology as it is used by many. With emphasis on "danger to themselves and OTHERS"
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batteries cost money.
touch screen cost money.
...
Factor all this, then you can compare.
I'd rather be phishing!
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Those are good points.
Mine's a laptop and has battery.
I failed to mention it does have a touchscreen because I never remember to use it.
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Maximilien wrote: Factor all this, then you can compare.
Indeed. Factor in the cost of a docking station, a nice large monitor, a keyboard and mouse, external SSD, just to get back to the usability of laptop, and it's such a great deal!
Oh wait, I've got a USB docking thing, two large monitors, separate keyboard and mouse, and external SSD drive attached to my laptop already. Hmmm, you have a point. 
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: Oh wait, I've got a USB docking thing, two large monitors, separate keyboard and mouse, and external SSD drive attached to my laptop already
You can attach a dock to a tablet just the same. Well, the Surface at least--I don't know about any of the crappy Android tablets I've ever tried...but my first-gen Surface, attached to a dock, was my daily driver for well over a year. Quieter than any laptop, no heat generated, practically no room taken on my desk...I only replaced it with an Intel NUC because the NUC could drive 4K.
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dandy72 wrote: Quieter than any laptop, no heat generated, practically no room taken on my desk..
These are good points.
The small form factor would be nice if it really is powerful enough to run _everything_.
Visual Studio is what I'm thinking. But then, you probably have to get all apps from app store, right?
Or can you just install straight-up WinForm apps? I wonder.
The only problem is that they still seem a bit pricey.
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raddevus wrote: But then, you probably have to get all apps from app store, right?
Nope - that only applies to the new Windows 10S. The Surface Pro's are full Windows citizens.
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
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Well, maybe this platform / form factor is becoming more realistic? Interesting. Now, if they'll just become far cheaper the cheapskate, who I am, will be far happier.
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in my opinion: I didn't buy a new PC with Windows 10. I bought a barebones Intel NUC and installed Windows 10 using my genuine Windows 7 key. And it worked... last month... 9 months after Microsoft's free upgrade offer expired. 
