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Definitely newer than me. And you. 
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jlongo wrote: The flood of cheap foreign workers is killing compensation for software developers
I don't see that as the cause at all.
US gov stats give at least 7 million Computer jobs. And that is jobs, not demand.
May 2015 National Occupational Employment and Wage Estimates[^]
jlongo wrote: In 2014, the U.S. approved more than 370,000 H-1B applications.
I rather doubt that number. But in 2015, obviously more current, there was only 85,000
High-skilled visa applications hit record high - Apr. 13, 2015[^]
jlongo wrote: In the 90's, rates were easily $40-80/hr
Huh? Maybe we are talking about something different. $40 and hour would be an extremely low contract rate where I am. Far as I can recall contract rates were probably always above 60 and went above 80.
jlongo wrote: why are we at $40-80/hr 25 years later
Overall employment compensation, not just tech, have not gone up significantly for 20 years. The why and causes of that cannot be categorized to any simple reason.
U.S. Income Through the Years[^]
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As a programmer speaking to other programmers, we all need jobs no matter where we live in this world.
That said, I have been researching this since I was first unable to find steady work in 2003 and yes, it is getting really bad out there.
To expose the data (on Reports page) and what is happening, I have created the following site.
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And I write about it daily at Keep America At Work
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Your complaint is that H-1B workers steal American jobs and they are willing to work for cheaper wages.
Why don't you make same argument about jobs in various manufacturing industries that have been exported to China, Vietnam, South Korea, Bangladesh, etc?
You want your cheap TVs, PCs, cell phones, etc., but you want your programming wages must remain high!
Have you considered the fact that the H-1B workers pay US Federal and State income taxes and Social Security taxes whereas the Chinese assembly line worker is being paid pennies on the dollar compared to US wages but doesn't contribute to the tax system in the US?
You probably will be bemoaning the fact that the EU slapped a tax penalty of $14.5 billion on Apple because it is the God-given right of Apple to pay 0.0005% of its profits as taxes whereas you probably pay between 25 and 35% of your income as taxes. 
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Something of an irony, I'm a US based embedded guy working for a foreign company, becasue of a skill shortage in that country (and most ironic of all, lower oeprating costs in the US). Fortunately I don't need a work visa since I work from home, but in principle I believe the H1-B was a good idea when it started. The US (and other First World countries) does benefit from a brain drain, pulling the best and brightest from other countries. And in a way it helps the newly graduated in those other countries since it puts pressure on foreign companies to improve conditions at home.
The H-1B as it exists now is a joke. Companies like Wipro have destroyed it by grabbing every visa within minutes of issue, and using it to flood the outsourcing market. What I'd like to see is a quota, where any particualr company has a small limit on the number of available visa. Extend the quota to groups of related companies to block shell games. Wipro can't function in the US if all they can bring in is 100 bodies a year. Let companies bring in unique expertise, the way the H-1B was intended, but stop wholesale importation of inexperienced and cheap replacements.
The counter argument is companies like Microsoft will move R & D overseas, but there's nothing to stop that now. The foreign talent pool for 20+ year experience engineers can't match what's available in the US.
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If you are Hungary, should you Czech the fridge?
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I should have some Turkey leftovers.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Just don't eat it on the good China.
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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Especially if it's full of Greece.
/ravi
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...and people are always Russian around.
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
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Yes. I wish they'd wait until they Finnish.
/ravi
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You'll have to Sweden the offer to get them to stop.
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
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They remind me of Cubans - they're always Havana good time!
/ravi
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Sorry... Iran out of "good" puns. 
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
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You're sure there's Norway you could come up with one?
/ravi
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Oman, don't you worry about that.
“Thinking is the hardest work there is …”
modified 21-Nov-20 21:01pm.
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If he lived in the Phillipines, I would've mailed him some puns in a Manila envelope.
/ravi
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Welsh... I never thought of that.
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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They might find a Canada local beer in there.
Is there anything Uganda say about my poor post?
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Oman! It's kinda Chile here, so I'll get a jumper Denmark your post. Kenya guess what I'll score it?
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Egypt me again - no one to trust around here. If you get a chance, Dubai it from a more honest salesman. Now, we're closing early today so I can get Tibet and take a nap.
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That guy in the van that is a rockin'
Himalayan
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Ah don't lean on me man, cause you can't afford the ticket
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If you are Czech, should you go hungry ?
«There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008
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Austria was Hungary, took a bit of Turkey, dipped it in Greece, cooked it in Japan and ate it off China.
That has been stuck in my brain since I was a small child.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Hurricane Hermine made landfall on the gulf side of Florida last night; it will be headed up the South East coast of the U.S. over the next couple of days.
I have a co-worker affected in Florida and one that will be affected in North Carolina.
Please keep these and others in your thoughts; 'stuff' can be replaced - people can't.
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