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Damn! 100th time! Let me see if I type it right next time. 
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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Hey @Munchies_Matt! I made your BBQ marinade[^]!
Of course, I couldn't find preserved lemons, so I had to make my own[^] ("normal" lemons, though, not Moroccan).
I bought the Ras al-hanout from Amazon, but unfortunately, the mix I got didn't contain fenugreek, so I had to add that manually. No prob!
Problem with the marinade is: EVERYBODY LIKES IT TOO MUCH! So now, when we plan to barbecue, everybody asks me to make the delicious marinade - all the time... 
It's perfect for both chicken and pork chops btw!
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modified 9-May-16 8:00am.
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Sounds like you got the recipe right!
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Do you stick the preserved lemon in whole, chop, or blitz it?
You can make your own Ras al-hanout:
2 1/2 tbsp cumin seed
2 tbsp coriander seed
1 cinnamon stick
2 tsp ground ginger
2 tsp black peppercorn
1 tsp ground turmeric
1/2 tsp cardamom pod (seeds from about 10 pods)
Toast the whole spices in a small pan until they are aromatic and have turned a shade or two darker. Tip into a pestle and mortar, then add the ready-ground spices, and crush to a fine powder.
Not tried it with fenugreek...probably wouldn't want a lot, as it's pretty bitter.
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I did like the recipe said (posted the link in the original post): almost quartered the lemons, put salt in the middle and squeezed them into the jar. Then added more salt and repeated. Let everything rest in a dark cool place in at least 3 weeks.
I must admit that even if they weren't Moroccan lemons, they turned out pretty darned good, and almost half of the jar I made is used up already. 
I might try making the Ras as-hanout myself the next time just for the fun of it, but I had to buy two jars at a time on Amazon, so it'll last me some time, probably this season out... 
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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No, I meant when you used them in the marinade - did you throw them in in big lumps, or chop / blitz them to a liquid / pulp for marination?
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Ah, ok, I see what you mean. The preserved lemons recipe said that you should discard the pulp of the lemon and chop the peel finely. So that's what I did. I chopped them into tiny cubes, perhaps 1 or 2 mm on each side. And then as Matt mentioned, I added some of the salty lemon juice from the jar...
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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I just chopped the lemmons into a pulp.
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...that many of the people in QA find code on the internet, and don't try to read it before posting a question here? Many of them seem to assume that any code they find will automatically do exactly what they want and are completely thrown if it needs any changes.
Which as you and I both know is always going to be the case?
Some of these people seem to have jobs in IT!
What is happening to development? It used to be heading for status as a real "Profession", but now...it just seems to me that it's heading for Thicky City...
Thoughts anyone?
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My one-line summary of many newcomers to the industry:
Learning stops the day they join their first job.
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Totally agree with that - no companies do apprenticeships or similar any more.
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Freelancer software development for $5/hr
If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson
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Possibly a problem since everyone can call himself a programmer as soon as he can open VS and put in hello world.
Programming is "easy", programming correctly is a profession 
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True, but not only that!
I've been programming for 40 years now. I started when computers were - if not in their infancy - then at least quite new. I know a lot of things about how they work and why stuff is done the way it is, and how it has evolved throughout the years to the state it is in now.
Young people learning "programming" cannot possibly learn all this in 2 years in school - let alone 4 weeks - and get an understanding about all the aspects of programming.
It is my understanding that the computer lessons in school tend to focus more on theoretical ideas than on practical programming...
I'm currently enrolled in a series of courses on MS Dynamics AX, because I got myself a job programming AX. I've never had anything to do with that before, and when I started, I had no idea what X++ was. But it turned out to be childs plaý. Because I've worked with C# for many years, it was no problem doing X++ either.
In the same class, there are two youngsters, fresh out from school who have just gotten their first programming job (also programming AX). But they have no clue about what to do, how to solve the tasks, and they have both failed both certification tests we've had so far.
I talked with them about their education, and asked if they hadn't had any .NET programming in school at least. Their answer was that they had done a small C# winforms application during a 2 week course. I wonder (but never got any answer to it) what the heck they had used the rest of the time for...
And based on a 2 week C# course, one of the MAJOR IT companies in the country hired them as Dynamics AX developers...
I don't mean to say that they are stupid or anything, just that there is way too much you need to learn! And I really have no solution to how schools should give the students all the knowledge they need, because it seems like mission impossible in my opinion.
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
modified 9-May-16 9:29am.
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This surely is a reason in "modern" countries, that they just don't get the education done properly. I for my self can say that my university was awesome on that.
We had a lot of maths (like 5 courses) we had hardware basics, programming basics. We had to learn how the stuff was working before fancy programming languages were born (assembler, i love it). But one thing made me sad, we had no C# at all (thank god i programmed in it at home). But we started of with the ugly C, went on to C++ and Java (uhrg Java XD). We had to programm a lot of "already there" stuff by our selfs, like heaps or queues and lists. But i guess a lot of universities or schools don't teach the youngsters this stuff (although you have to know the basic to set knowledge on top). I guess a big problem is that a lot of functionality is "god given" and it doesn't matter how it works as long as it works. But if you don't know sh.. you can't do it right
And ofc the nice clicky blinky shiny "languages" that don't teach you anything about programming.
Another point is, i guess, that there are some countries trying to build up an economy by selling their programming. And most of those end up here in Q&A.
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I don't have a problem with "theoretical learning". At uni we used languages that aren't used in the wild so it was akin to having no "practical" experience, as in a proper job you'd be using C++ (twas a while ago these days it'll be c#). What we actually learned was algorithms, how to break problems down into steps, debugging and so on, skills that transfer to any language.
The questions that really make me want to tear my hair out are code dumps that have an error where the person hasn't even said what line it is on, as if that kind of information is irrelevant, or what the error is, again as if irrelevant. Questions that can easily be solved by debugging, or questions that are simply a case of breaking things into steps to solve individually, questions easily solved by googling. These questions make me think the person just isn't cut out to be a coder, or that they have had a very poor education in regards to programming. I also get very suspicious when I see 200 lines of code where the OP has quite a basic issue and I think "you seem to know little about programming so where did these 200 lines of code come from....."
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Johnny J. wrote: I started when computers were - if not in their infantry - then at least quite new.
Computers had foot-soldiers? And there was me thinking that Skynet was fiction. 
Or did you mean infancy?
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Would you believe me if I claimed that I did that on purpose to see if anybody would notice?
Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it...
Speeling error fixed btw!
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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There is a near-irresistible temptation to answer many questions there with "Perhaps you should look for another line of work"....
...but I do blame this plethora of "black box" solutions - particularly JavaScript frameworks - which enable people to do a lot without any real understanding of what they are actually doing. Of course, you can argue that anything above assembly language programming is "black box" programming, but still...
"I'm never quite so stupid as when I'm being smart." - Linus van Pelt.
"If you were as smart as you think you are, you wouldn't think you were so smart!" - Charlie Brown.
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It is not just IT, it is any industry I would think, the current mentality of the 'yoof' (I'm generalising here, so not all of them!) is "I want to be taken by the hand and shown what to do or have it written down step by step so I don't have to learn anything, oh, and I want a higher salary than you are paying me because my colleague (with 25yrs experience who has learnt the hard way and knows a damn site more) is on more than me"...
When I hear, "I haven't had any training on that" for something you could work out yourself if you were to apply yourself, is boils my pi$$.
/endrant
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It is started with the 'Teach yourself ... in 21 days' and went on with '... for Dummies'...
There is (a Microsoft lead) line, that all you need to became a developer is to buy one of those books and the magically-super IDE of your choice...
So youngsters are believe, that you can do it without learning...All you need a some cut-and-paste work - the glue is at CP for free...
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Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Unfortunately, it isn't just would-be developers who think the job is just cut and paste... many clients seem to think the same! 
"I'm never quite so stupid as when I'm being smart." - Linus van Pelt.
"If you were as smart as you think you are, you wouldn't think you were so smart!" - Charlie Brown.
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From the point-of-view of the client - as long as it works with bearable amount of failures...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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