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No. You missing the point again. "Shaved"
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Stack Overflow Developer Survey 2016 Results[^]
I don't care if this is a Leslie, so save your breath. With that said, I love this statistical research stuff, and I found the results this year to be interesting. Javascript is most popular programming language, stuff like that...
The chart on Star Wars vs. Star Trek was hilarious, but predictable. Old farts love Star Trek more than Star Wars, but we all knew that already.
Enjoy, or not. 
Stack Overflow Research[^]
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It's been while since I saw it. Indeed that a good statistics.
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Be careful, though. Take VIII. Desktop Operating System for example. If you tab through the past few years, the migration looks striking: "Mac OS X is taking over the world!"
But if you add up the total Windows OS bars in each year, you get a different picture: There has been virtually no shifts in 4 years between the big three (Win ~ 50% / OSX ~ 20-25% / Lin ~ 20% // 2013-2016). The visual design of this particular graph is remarkably deceiving.
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These stats are ridiculous.
Most developers are between 25-29 and yet the second most years of experience are 11+ years. OK, I get that 14 year old's are doing stuff, but I wouldn't count that as "professional" experience.
This isn’t necessarily professional experience
Hah.
Then, 28% (the largest group) consider themselves full-stack web developers, but in the Programmers, Engineers, and Developers chart, "Full-Stack Developer" ranks 5th. How does that correlate???
Maybe I'm just annoyed because I rank in the 3% age group. 
Marc
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0.8% 
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Marc Clifton wrote: Maybe I'm just annoyed because I rank in the 3% age group.
I found that stat rather depressing (I'm currently knocking rather hard on that particular door).
Bearing in mind that there must have been a point when I worked with people who were older than myself, I find myself wondering where they've all gone. I suspect they fall into the following groups:
1) People who bothered to save some money and actually got to retire (curse them for their foresight and diligence!)
2) People who optimised one query too many and now live in the happy house.
3) People who decided to abandon their practical skills and became project managers or something even less useful.
4) People who realised that they'd always wanted to be a lion tamer or some such thing and went off and did it after a bad day on the Javascript.
5) People who died prematurely from a combination of eye-strain and a primarily pizza-based diet.
Most of these outcomes seem a tad sub-optimal to me, yet still I meet youngsters who want to be developers. The world gets crazier by the day!
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PeejayAdams wrote: Bearing in mind that there must have been a point when I worked with people who were older than myself, I find myself wondering where they've all gone.
When I was 24, one of "older" people died of lung cancer from smoking Camel cigs. He was 35 
But in general, I've always worked with older people, particularly hardware engineers, and quite enjoyed it and learned a lot, even about software development, particularly testing. I've also almost always been the sole development "team", whether as an employee or a consultant.
Now I find myself with three of 20 - 24 year olds, and I wonder, where is the respect? Where is the interest? And I wonder, was I like that, disrespectful, uninterested, eager to prove my abilities?
The last point yes, the first two, I would say no, but you'd have to ask the older folks for their version.
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: Now I find myself with three of 20 - 24 year olds, and I wonder, where is the respect? Where is the interest? And I wonder, was I like that, disrespectful, uninterested, eager to prove my abilities?
I think that very much depends on individuals, I've worked with some great youngsters and a few who were, well, let's just say, not so great.
There may be a difference in that people these days leave school much later. By the time I started as a developer at around 24, I'd had four or five other jobs over 8 years so was a bit more used to dealing with older folks. I'd also (quite literally) shoveled s*** for a living so didn't have the arrogance that comes with a shiny new degree in Computer Science. That said, I still had that bit of an egotistical streak that said "I can be better at this than you old-timers."
To a certain extent, that's a natural and indeed, positive trait in younger people and it needs to be there. The question is more one of how it manifests itself - "I can learn from you and go on to become better" is a perfectly healthy attitude whereas "Leave it out, Granddad! You can't teach me anything" is not quite so constructive. We can probably guess which ones will still be around to get called Granddad ...
Rather amusingly, my sister - a primary school teacher - was recently asked in all innocence by one of her 10 year-old charges "Miss? Did they have technology when you were young?"
As I remember it, we did have the wheel but were still struggling with perpetual motion so things can't have changed all that much
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6) One flew over the cuckoo's nest
«There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008
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0.8% 
«There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008
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Slacker007 wrote: Old farts love Star Trek more than Star Wars
Old farts have seen US cowboy and JP samurai movies ad nauseam, so *new* *improved* versions of them with plastic suits and super-duper laser guns that never hit their targets (hey, Den, are you paying attention, here?) just don't wash.
Mind you, most of the tech on star trek is just as ridiculously unREAL -- but at least some of the star trek characters are REAL people, and not just cardboard cut-outs.
E.g. at least the captain in NG behaves reasonably like a genuine captain, some of the time.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: super-duper laser guns that never hit their targets
I had to laugh, I was watching Person of Interest last night where 4 people are standing in the open 20ft from each other blazing away with automatic weapons - and no one was hit for the first 30 seconds, then 1 bad guy fell over.
I've never been in a gun fight, fired a weapon only a few time in my life but surely they can'y miss all the time!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Slacker007 wrote: Javascript is most popular programming language
I doubt that it's the most popular, just the most used, since everything and its digital; dog has to be web based these days. I mean heart attacks are the most frequently employed method of decease but I don't think that makes them popular!
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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And predictably Visual Basic is most dreaded language !!
Thanks,
Milind
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I asked myself the same question...Delphi?? WTF!?
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These were originally published back in March 
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare
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It actually surprised me the back-end winner (that is Javascript).
I expected the reason was because of Node.js , but it actually consumes the 13% of the votes (when Javascript totalized more than 50%)
So, i d ask, is it because of OPA, CommonJS, and Vertx?
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There's a lot of toilet humour today? Scraping the bottom (of the barrel)? 
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You know us in the lounge: always full of sh...inola.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Yeah - no one seems to want to make any scents of it.
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I pooh-pooh your suggestion that there's anything improper behind this.
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