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Testing is often a part of the IDE an/or the operating system. So developer can also do a good job on testing.
Press F1 for help or google it.
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_Maxxx_ wrote: (i.e. not a dev) but is keen and smart.
Testers must be destructive.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
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I've got a BIG hammer.
Does that count?
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That depends. Can you lift it up? 
Your time will come, if you let it be right.
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I can get it up, yes.
And I can lift my chopper[^] too!
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Thor, are you going to do some unit tests with frost giants again?
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
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Not until they get the bugs out of Ragnarök V2.0
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It already must be a bug if Thor survived Ragnarök 1.0
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
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well, she has broken a few hearts ...
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CDP1802 wrote: Testers must be destructive.
True that, but it's your fault if they succeed at it. It's no good telling them(me) to not push the red button, that's like catnip. (This test is still failing. So, I'm doing my job, what are you doing?)
Also, who would you prefer finding that little flaw that opens up your entire accounting system, a tester or a black hat? Assuming (s)he doesn't turn to the dark side.
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Testing is for sissies.
Which might unfortunately apply literaly, given the description you provided.
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i have years of experience in test automation (even developed a test tool for ui automation myself) and i can tell you, that test automation is essentially software development. you develop software (sometimes with the help of powerful libs) to automate other software.
most of the tools provide some capture replay functionality but to be honest capture replay does not work well. its like programming spagetti code 
what you will want is dev know-how to write scripts/tests in a programming language.
i can recommend ranorex as a very versatile tool with a very nice c# api.
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Thanks; I figured there's got to be some level of coding - even if it is 'only' some scripting.
I hadn't heard of ranorex - I just gave the web page a quick squiz and it does look interesting...
I may have to give our tester some programming lessons !
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well i think if you want to be productive in test automation you will quickly see recurring patterns emerge that you will want to encapsulate to increase productivity. well thats where programmings starts 
you will want to look into concepts like PageObjects to reduce the impacts changes have.
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werinus wrote: i can recommend ranorex as a very versatile tool with a very nice c# api.
Can't argue with that, but it has its quirks too. I used it for 2 months a year+ ago, it nicely records physical actions so you can build tests without coding, but then breaks for no apparent reason, so you have to dive into the code. I never got conversant with it enough to say I know it well.
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Testing? By a personage not involved in the coding? People do that? Ah, go on. You're having a giraffe. Next you'll be telling me that level designers for Candy Crush actually play the game!
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To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson
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Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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_Maxxx_ wrote: Our lovely Tester is looking into automated testing
First is to determine what the exact interface(s) is to be tested and how. If you want to test an IE browser client on windows 7 it is substantially different than testing a GUI application on win 95-win 10 and max OSX and still again different if you want to do security testing on a Rest API.
Of course presumably you already use a unit testing framework yourself.
_Maxxx_ wrote: She knows little about it, is not particularly technical
In my experience non trivial testing of non-trivial applications is going to require 'programming' in some sense of the word. Not in the languages that you are familiar with but in rather in terms of the testing tools. Complex tests or complex applications could also require supplementary tools written (probably by a developer) to supplement testing.
One complex case can be creating and managing versions of test data and loading that data into a database to allow version testing with a database.
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You ask a 19-year old musician what kind of music he plays, and he responds, "Nothing you would like." 
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Maybe it was your pointy ears and serious face and not how old you look? 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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He is an Elf?
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
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Extraterrestrial life form? he's not Bob you know
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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No, a pointy eared tree hugger, usually with a bow and arrows.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
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