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Over the years, I have accumulated an immense collection of books, because I do an immense amount of research on a lot of subjects.
I haven't even opened one of them in at least five years.
If you're seriously looking for information, hard copy is just too damned slow, and, because all too many books aren't structured in a way that's, shall we say, optimal, it can be too damned easy to miss important details.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I have always (with the exception of a certain brand of hair products) heard the word "suave" combined with "debonair" - never standalone (and vice versa).
In the past it has been applied to men like Cary Grant ("Cary Grant is suave and debonair"); in modern times, two obvious candidates for such a description are Pierce Brosnan and, say, Ndamukong Suh.
But I wonder: is it possible to be "suave" but not debonair? Debonair but not suave? If so, please give some examples. e.g., is Ted Nugent suave but not debonair? Is Barack Obama debonair but not suave?
Would it, in fact -- since these two adjectives seem inseparably linked -- actually be a "backhanded compliment" to call someone "suave" OR "debonair" (not both)? IOW, would calling someone suave be tantamount to saying they are decidedly NOT debonair? Similarly, would calling someone debonair be tantamount to saying they are decidedly NOT suave?
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These are really challenging questions. What a time to be alive !
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Ha ha ha ha!!!
Jeremy Falcon
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Rage wrote: These are really challenging questions.
Yes, yes. They move The Discussion forward and make you think about the important issues in the world.
My, oh my. Suave or debonair. 
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"De bon air" is heritage, according to the dictionary, where suave is someone who's a soft egg. They can be combined, but need not to.
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Rico is only known to be suave.
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I'd say someone could be suave and working class (indeed that is my goal) but I think debonair requires family money.
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I'd say almost synonyms, debonair applies more towards disposition, family and background and suave to communication, sensibilities and not wishing to offend. Sources: Debonair = of good family; Suave = sweet. Used together implies emphasis.
Compare other terms like "fair and just" or "smart and wise" where the words may not quite mean the same thing but are frequently interchanged.
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B. Clay Shannon wrote: say, Ndamukong Suh.
I tried to but it sounded like I was speaking with a wasp in my mouth.
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You might try my approach: I pronounce his name "Donkey-Kong Sioux"
Then again, I am a Green Bay Packers fan, and he once stomped on one of "my guys" (the infamous "DonkeyKong Stomp" incident involving a cat from the town where I work (Salinas), also the hometown of the late great John Steinbeck).
I, myself, am in danger of being termed neither suave nor debonair.
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Had never heard of him.....but I just googled and as it happens I'm getting into NFL at the moment so I will keep an eye out for him.
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The Google definition,of suave, doe not mention debonair, except as a synonym:
suave
swɑːv/Submit
adjective
(especially of a man) charming, confident, and elegant.
"all the waiters were suave and deferential"
synonyms: charming, sophisticated, debonair, urbane, worldly, worldly-wise, polished, refined, poised, self-possessed, dignified, civilized, gentlemanly, gallant; More
So..."Cary Grant is suave and suave" basically. English! Tch! Who'd use it? 
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For a laugh I thought I'd put suave and debonair through an English to Welsh translator:
Suave a debonair!
Obviously not too much demand for the words in the valleys.
Isn't it rare for the Welsh to be shorter than the English?
Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.
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PhilLenoir wrote: Isn't it rare for the Welsh to be shorter than the English?
No, you have to remember that Welsh is just English spelled by a six year old, possibly with a bad cold:
Hospital: Ysboty (Pronounced eh-spotty)
School: Ysgol (Pronounced eh-scool)
Taxi: Tacsi
Microwave oven: Popty Ping
Carrots: Moron (We aren't big on veg.)
Nothing: Dim
Dough: Toes
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I like Popty Ping - almost onomatopoeic. My Welsh is severely limited, I can't think of much more than Croeso Y Cymru and iechyd da
Maybe it's just place names:
Llanthony - one of my favourite spots (with Double Dragon on draught) in it's full Welsh splendour is Llan-dewi-nant-honddu. If you've never been and you're in the region of the Brecon Beacons I commend it to you, good food and beer and a lovely setting.
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I've been there a few times - it's at the other end of the Brecons from me, and I used to pass nearby on my way to Hay on Wye to swap my mother with my elder brother.
It's a beautiful area - if a little close to England for my taste!
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Quote: a little close to England
One of its many benefits!
When we had shops in Bristol, we could go there for a day trip (possibly including dropping in to Hay for some books.) The walk up to Offa's Dyke is spectacular, especially when the Hawthorn's in bloom.
We stayed one night in the Priory a few years back on a visiting our old haunts trip back to the UK. We did clock up a few miles on that trip!
Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.
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B. Clay Shannon wrote: I have always (with the exception of a certain brand of hair products) heard the word "suave" combined with "debonair" - never standalone (and vice versa).
PARKLIFE!
B. Clay Shannon wrote: In the past it has been applied to men like Cary Grant ("Cary Grant is suave and debonair"); in modern times, two obvious candidates for such a description are Pierce Brosnan and, say, Ndamukong Suh.
PARKLIFE!
B. Clay Shannon wrote: But I wonder: is it possible to be "suave" but not debonair? Debonair but not suave? If so, please give some examples. e.g., is Ted Nugent suave but not debonair? Is Barack Obama debonair but not suave?
PARKLIFE!
B. Clay Shannon wrote: Would it, in fact -- since these two adjectives seem inseparably linked -- actually be a "backhanded compliment" to call someone "suave" OR "debonair" (not both)? IOW, would calling someone suave be tantamount to saying they are decidedly NOT debonair? Similarly, would calling someone debonair be tantamount to saying they are decidedly NOT suave?
Alllllllll the people, so many people and they all go hand in hand, round and round through their PARKLIFE.
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I am unable to answer these questions for fear of losing my man card. Sorry.
By the way, O is a communist and Nugent is a psycho retard.
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I tend to agree with your assessment of Nugent, although I really like some of his music (especially his eponymous offering from the 70s). I can separate the [mad]man from the music.
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Yeah, there has to be a separation from the music, I agree.
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As for Obama, I see him as George Bush with a better tan.
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I noticed that when I looked at what the political cartoonists did: same ears, more shading.
cat fud heer
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B. Clay Shannon wrote: As for Obama, I see him as George Bush with a better tan.
Yes, that's true. That's why he was re-elected in 2008, because there were so many people, like yourself, who loved W and wanted more of him in 2008. So since there was no difference they went ahead and re-elected him in 2008 but with a different name.
They are both Presidents. They are both male. They both wear suits. They both live in America. They both eat food for their meals. So many similarities and no one would've noticed without your astute political savvy calling attention to this sameness.
Oh, now there is a word: Savvy!
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