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Rage wrote: That is great. Military service in France was something like moving a sand heap
from one location to another, and then bring it back where it was. Or repaint
buildings.
I'm with the Airforce. We just blow the sand heaps away, we don't have any better use for our helicopters anyways 
The console is a black place
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I added my post for StarUML before reading yours. It's a good product.
New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.0 Beta
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
I'm not crazy, my reality is just different than yours!
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Pencil and paper.
Don't commit anything to a diagramming app until it looks like it actually works.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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StarUML[^] is free and is a pretty good product. I've tried to learn it a couple of times but didn't see the need.
New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.0 Beta
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
I'm not crazy, my reality is just different than yours!
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Mike Hankey wrote: StarUML[^] is free and is a pretty good product.
I clicked on the Link for StarUML, and saw a link that said: "Pre-Order Now"[^] in the top right hand corner
I clicked and saw lots of confusion about money, but I think I barely grasp the payment aspect, I think, I hope.
Please confirm, deny, or correct my thinking: This is free; yes ? After downloading, and using it like a freeloader (hey, the term finally has a fitting pun) I can voluntarily pay them when I feel philanthropic; yes again ?
modified 8-Sep-14 11:46am.
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StarUML is a bit dated, and also only available for PCs. I've used Umbrello, to good effect, which supports the XMI XML standard for representing UML, which StarUML doesn't support properly. Unfortunately, Umbrello seems to be KDE only, so only really practical on Linux boxes. I don't think there is yet a good cross-platform UML tool, or even tools that interact via XMI.
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How about paying really cheap for a paid version of Ms Visio.
Checkout: http://www.win8keyau.com/[^]
You pay like 8 times less to buy a product key and a link to a package to download. This is how I buy all my Microsoft products.
"Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence."
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I'm wondering how legal this is.
I just built a new desktop system and Windows 8 Pro price seems very promissing. I wonder if there is a catch.
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson
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Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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Site looks legit to me (I've bought a couple of products from them already)... however I also have my suspicions about the legality. Either way, they send you a product key which Microsoft accepts and haven't given me any crap about for over a year now and I've registered it obviously at Microsoft. I think if you read the fine print, the product key limits you to use the software only on one particular pc. So if you buy a new pc in the future you might run in to some trouble. Although I'd read up about it myself it I were you.
"Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence."
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R. Erasmus wrote: I think if you read the fine print, the product key limits you to use the software only on one particular pc.
Yes, I read that and the lincesing you buy from microsft directly works the same way, so at least in this case, the price would be fair.
I suspect they sell keys bought over volume licensing, which allows discounts.
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson
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Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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Exactly! Give it a try. It sure saves you a arm and a leg, and when you upgrade in the future, you new improved versions of software will be available in any case.
"Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence."
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I think I will, thanks for the tip 
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson
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Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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I really liked Visio but job change to a company that wouldn't pay for it, hence Dia gets my vote used it extensively for bloody years.
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Have you tried umlet[^]? I've used it for years.
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: Have you tried umlet[^]? I've used it for years.
Never heard of it.
Thanks for the brain food.
Clicking on it now
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IBM Rhapsody Modeler [^]
Is a freeware version of their full blown product. I have worked for with the full-blown product 5 years. With it I designed/implemented systems using the code generator and model debugger (target languages c, and c++). Since UML has the concept of an "active class" the full-blown product is capable of generating multithreaded OS-adapted ready to run executables.
Currently I use the freeware version (no code generator, no model debugger) to design and document designs in javascript and other languages. The freeware version has a simple report generator with which you can get .rtf files out of the model for audiences that are not technically versed. For others, since the tool is free, they can can use the model itself.
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If you're going to use Visio, may I suggest using SmartDraw[^] instead. Much more intuitive and simpler to use.
If you look into IBM Raphsody Modeler, you may as well look into Understand[^].
My bookmarks for UML are StarUML[^], Gliffy[^], and NinjaMock[^].
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Thanks, I'm taking a look at each one of those
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This one is not free but it is reasonably priced, and it is very good. Enterprise Architect
Jay
Springfield, IL
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I tried a few before settling for http://www.draw.io/[^]. It's browser based, it integrates well with google drive/docs and does other kinds of diagrams pretty good too.
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It's been a while since I've needed to do any UML, but my favorite tool was Umbrello. None of the other tools I tried, both free and paid, came close. Like I said, though, it's been a few years.
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Most of us don't have problems meeting ladies.
The hard part is not being told to **** off.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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For some of us it's more about not being told to f*** off by the wife. 
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