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They both go hand in hand.
BTW justice is - conformity to the law; legal validity. Without law, there is no justice 
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So...is it justice that a rich person can buy a decision by affording expensive lawyers? (OJ Simpson, Strauss-Kahn, ...) Or by just paying to get out of court (Bernie Ecclestone, ...)
Law is not the same as justice: the law of many countries lets the guilty go free, or with a "slap on the wrist" when they deserve better justice.
You looking for sympathy?
You'll find it in the dictionary, between sympathomimetic and sympatric
(Page 1788, if it helps)
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Agree with you. Though the law is like a rule which is applicable to every single person but in reality the justice does not go with it. Yes in today's world a rich does what you say.
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OriginalGriff wrote: Law is not the same as justice: the law of many countries lets the guilty go free, or with a "slap on the wrist" when they deserve better justice.
Except of course justice is subjective. What is justice for one is injustice for another.
The law of course is dependent upon humans so it cannot and will not be perfect.
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Wow, we have an amazingly uninformed group here this morning! By your reasoning, keeping black slaves in the US was entirely just, since the law said so. Imprisoning, starving, and beating American Indian children in the Indian Schools was just, as was stealing their parents' homelands and moving them off into arid, barren reservations, because the law said it was okay. Murdering women for the crime of being raped in the Middle East is just, because that's the law.
I've been through several law classes, and the first thing any law teacher tells a class is, don't ever confuse law with justice. One will rarely find both in a court room.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Yes there were several injustice in the event you said. I believe the laws were altered over the time when corrections required or it's not right. On the other hand, the Justice depending on situations too and can over come the law in some cases. It's just my thought.
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You bring tears to my eyes.
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Probably just allergies... 
Will Rogers never met me.
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Roger Wright wrote: By your reasoning, keeping black slaves ...
When one looks back one must look back at the entirety. Ignoring the entirety when examining the specific probably is not "just" no more so than a court that refuses to consider any mitigating circumstances.
Roger Wright wrote: and beating American Indian children in the Indian Schools
This of course is just one example of where one should at least consider the entirety. Beatings in school in many forms occurred in most if not all US schools for much of the US history. So to examine the justice in this case one would need to find comparable examples, look at the reasons for the discipline and determine if the discipline was extreme or comparable for the time. It is not sufficient to show for example that such students were beaten for something like using native american languages in classroom unless one can show that children in other parts of the nation were not beaten for similar transgressions.
Also one must consider that at least at one time even in the US even in the work place one might be beaten. Additionally even now there are states that do not ban corporal punishment in schools. In 2006 there were over 200,000 students who were subjected to corporal punishment in the US. (Although to be fair given the goal of the link below it is possible that the numbers might be less than authentic but I would suspect that it is still not zero.)
http://www.stophitting.com/index.php?page=statesbanning[^]
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Ah, no.
Justice existed before the advent of civilization and law.
Law was meant to codify justice, but that has become perverted.
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That is brilliant and true.
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Remember laws can be unjust . Remember apartheid in South Africa? Laws can be used to enforce injustice. Justice is universal, laws are not.
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Important in what sense?
The law ultimately affects the real world, justice is just a vague concept that isn't even the same for everyone (neither is the law, I suppose). But breaking the law is not by itself immoral, only the underlying act may or may not be, while injustice is almost always immoral (by definition, for some definitions of justice).
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Laws are codifications of the Justice.
You cannot have fair justice without laws in a civil society.
I'd rather be phishing!
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Maximilien wrote: in a civil society
... above a certain size.
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Understanding.
Rules are created for a reason, not for blind enforcement. Rules will change over time.
Justice is an implementation of that ruleset. Your morals may utterly fail in a few centuries time though
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Justice is the enforcement of the law, which is a replacement for people figuring out on their own what is right and wrong, and as such, both point to essentially the non-existence (it never has existed, actually) of intelligent life on this planet.
Marc
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Honour.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Hello all!
Mrs. Wife and me are thinking on adding some gadget into the car...
We own a C class Mercedes that has no Bluetooth neither aux-in port but it has al the steering wheel buttons to answer the call...
We would like to get the opportunity to use hands-free and to listen to the music on our cell phones using the car.
I've seen two options, the first one is the Parrot UNIKA[^] which allows us to use the in-steering wheel buttons to use our phone, but it cost a lot of €.
And I've also seen the VIETA VC-TF140BK[^] which looks interesting as it makes what we want for 30€.
Anyone here has tried it with an android phone? any opinions or advice?
Thank you in advance!
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Joan Murt wrote: We would like to get the opportunity to use hands-free and to listen to the music on our cell phones using the car.
That's the reason for children, they make good remotes.
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
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Heard kitchen!
I'm telling Mrs. wife about that...
If it Works the newcome will be named after you.
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Will the name be Mike?
If instead you choose Hankey, I suggest Hanky-Panky as the name! 
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If you would see the source you would know how big should that be...
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Mike Hankey wrote: That's the reason for children, they make good remotes.
 There are so many ways I disagree with you I find my fingers "tongue-tied."
I recall a 3 year old discovering the window buttons. When I hit the "parent lock" on the window, I discovered the 3 year old's maximum decibel level. Perhaps you were talking about older children? But then you invariably have to listen to their music, which defies all recognition of anything musical in the content. Not to mention the inane amount of channel surfing.
The upshot is, the buttons are on the steering wheel for a reason!
Marc
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