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Genghis Khan was from Luton? well that explains a lot
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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Funnily enough, Luton was the one place they chose to rape the livestock and burn down the women.
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: Funnily enough, Luton was the one place they chose to rape the livestock and burn down the women.
All under influence?
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thought that was wales, sounds too complicated for a lutonian
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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Only because in Luton it's near impossible to tell the difference...
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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In high school, someone did that to a series of student lockers right outside my home room (and hence my locker area). They stopped short of the door so as to not be seen... my locker was right outside the door.
Stupidity knows no boundary.
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"Coiffeur? Maybe he can give you some security!"(9)
I like this one!
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Obscurum per obscurius.
Ad astra per alas porci.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur .
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LOCKSMITH
A coiffeur (hairdresser) sculpts one's locks, not that I have any left ...
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You like a hairdresser? Well with your Barnet, I guess there's a lot of maintenance. 
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I have been developing in Windows since 1996. And loved it.
Last week one of my clients computer crashed.
His application was in ASP.NET, .NET 4.5. A very small application for managing his Gym.
I had to install SQL Server Express 2012. It took all day. First install .NET runtime. Then during SQL install, had to download and install Powershell. Then install IIS7.
This took up my whole day.
Then restore the Database etc. etc.
One of my developers was working on PhP and MySQL on his own. He showed me how easy it was to just copy XAMPP, start Apache and MySQL and copy the PhP application and start work. No installation, nothing.
In MS, you have to install so many things, then as you keep on installing applicaion, even for a test drive, and then uninstall, this slows down windows. SO much garbage accumulates in the registry.
Why can MS produce apps that can only be copied and run, as earlier in Wordperfect, or Wordstar, or presently as XAMPP?
Is there somebody out there who has influence on MS to ask them to do this.
Since I have now started working in PhP, I find it so SUPERFAST and easy and it has so many FREE third party tools that I converted the Gym application to PhP and MySQL in just 2 days which had taken full to weeks to develop in .NET
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Well, PHP sucks so I would never prefer it to e.g. ASP.NET MVC. Nevertheless, I agree with you. I hope that some of this changes in the future (at least with Chocolatey we now have a good package manager). The single / copy deploy of ASP.NET MVC vNext seems to be exactly what you are looking for.
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I do believe he would be in the same or worse position trying to deploy MVC, he still has the runtime and IIS requirement for his clients server + all the different libraries needed to run MVC on the server.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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I was talking about ASP.NET MVC vNext, which can also run on a Linux or MacOSX machine without installing IIS or any other web server. Which libraries should be required to run MVC on the server? The libraries, which are not included in the .NET Framework should be deployed with your application in the "bin" directory...
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Do you know how to do a system back up in Linux?
You log in as sudo and copy all the files to somewhere.
So do a restore? Yes, you got it.
Oh, and when you do install/uninstall on Linux, sudo apt-get xxxxx, it just works, Every time. Perfectly.
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
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That is very cool actually.
Regards,
Rob Philpott.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: Oh, and when you do install/uninstall on Linux, sudo apt-get xxxxx, it just works, Every time. Perfectly.
Unless you need a newer version of some software that isn't supported by your package manager yet, then the whole thing starts to become a nightmare.
The only thing that seems to be different about APT and installing an application on windows is the part where you download it yourself, and neither are foolproof.
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Try installing Microsoft Exchange! Now that really is horrible.
Regards,
Rob Philpott.
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Sounds more like a deployment issue.
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....Microsoft. I think thats enough to answer all the arguments. 
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly"- SoMad
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Someone marked this original post as spam.
Why is someone doing this?
This is the lounge and this is a good question / message.
I agree with the original message. I've been developing on Windows since Win 3.0 (around 1994) and I feel the same way. Way too much dependency of Microsoft apps on registry -- like they're trying to tie everything to that so things can't be moved easily to other OSes.
I always try to build my own apps so they can just be copied over and run. Microsoft has talked out of the side of its face on this issue itself. Trying to say you could do
one-click deployment or xcopy deployment.
Yeah, they talked about it, but then never did it themselves or really got behind it.
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It's not difficult, but complex.
I do like the portable AMP environment, but it is not meant as a production-environment. It's there for quick testing. Just like you can do with Cassini (or IISExpress) and SQLCE with ASP.NET.
Those environments are meant for development. Any MS-dev should be able to install that stuff on their own, and not rely on an XCOPY of a USB-stick.
A full SQL Server is not something that resides on a USB-stick. When started, it'll reserve resources. Your AMP-stack is a nuetered version of a real DB-server. Installing MySQL in a farm is equally complex.
Don't point to a pencil and ask why the typewriter is complex.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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There's no reason to be talking about server farms or serious deployments when we appear to be discussing an internal application for a single site business. That can quite reasonably be run off the portable AMP setup in production, as long as the database is in a backed up location. Thousands of public-facing websites that probably get more traffic and database hits than this application are on shared hosting PHP/mySQL setups.
Yes, you should be able to do it with Cassini but you're actively discouraged from doing so, I think including technical restrictions like 10 maximum concurrent connections or something ridiculous, to force you to buy the enterprise solution. Yes, there is a place for the complex, enterprise solution that takes a day to set up, but for a very large number of small businesses, an XAMPP install is sufficient and it should be possible to deploy .Net web apps that easily.
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aakhan314 wrote: Since I have now started working in PhP, I find it so SUPERFAST and easy and it has so many FREE third party tools that I converted the Gym application to PhP and MySQL in just 2 days which had taken full to weeks to develop in .NET
Fanboy?
Learn to use tools (plural) and then select the most appropriate one for the job at hand.
Myself I would suspect that complete applications that can be created in 2 days might not be the best indicator of the utility of more complex tools. After all I might be able to build a simple shelf using a utility knife in a very short amount of time but I wouldn't want to build an entire house much less a small city using only that.
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Don't insult the man's work or intelligence.
Migrating an existing, working application is not in any way comparable to building a city.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Don't insult the man's work or intelligence.
Fair enough.
Mark_Wallace wrote: Migrating an existing, working application is not in any way comparable to building a city.
Is that not what I said?
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