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But clearly not parenting experts...
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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If that was a requirement the overpopulation problem would quickly get solved. 
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You know, we have to have licenses/proper age/physical condition to do various activities, like driving, horse riding and so. But to be a parent you only need to be of age...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: But to be a parent you only need to be of age...
Unfortunately not...[^] 
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Don't mind those people who say you're not HOT. At least you know you're COOL.
I'm not afraid of falling, I'm afraid of the sudden stop at the end of the fall! - Richard Andrew x64
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Good description - I felt the same way myself...
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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I can't imagine how those little kids gave birth. Okay, some of them gave birth through Caesarian process, but how about the others? Thru normal delivery?!
Don't mind those people who say you're not HOT. At least you know you're COOL.
I'm not afraid of falling, I'm afraid of the sudden stop at the end of the fall! - Richard Andrew x64
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I'm trying to avoid thinking about how they were conceived...
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Me too... I'm trying... Oh, nevermind...
Don't mind those people who say you're not HOT. At least you know you're COOL.
I'm not afraid of falling, I'm afraid of the sudden stop at the end of the fall! - Richard Andrew x64
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I'm glad I already ate.
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Growing old is compulsory...but growing up is optional.
Don't mind those people who say you're not HOT. At least you know you're COOL.
I'm not afraid of falling, I'm afraid of the sudden stop at the end of the fall! - Richard Andrew x64
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In that case they are certified proper idiots. Not that anything is wrong with adventure sports but one who does it, sure knows the risk involved. I am glad are not into bungee jumping.
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Or Go Kart racing... 
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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No not a recipe, that's what the UML class diagram of my application has ended up looking like. Usually it is
The foot bone connects to the leg bone
The leg bone connects to the knee bone...
but in this case the foot bone also depends on the thigh bone, inherits the neck class, implements the backbone interface, etc etc.
This is what comes of accruing technical debt. Coding like crazy to meet deadlines and please demanding clients only gets you deeper in crap.
Oh well, back to work...
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Hah I'm desperately looking for an opportunity to rewrite an app completed last year to meet a tight deadline that I know is crap. Changing requirements led to exactly your type of skeleton, I have a hammer that I really need to take to it with.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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S u n s h i n e wrote: This is what comes of accruing technical debt. Coding like crazy to meet deadlines and please demanding clients
That is called IT development. Get over it.
Smile when you take the check to the bank.
I know they didn't tell you this in school, but welcome to the real world.
Once you lose your pride, the rest is easy. 
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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JimmyRopes wrote: Once you lose your pride, the rest is easy
Sig material. 
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: Sig material.
You're right, thanks.
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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Ain't it the truth we become code whores.
Along with Antimatter and Dark Matter they've discovered the existence of Doesn't Matter which appears to have no effect on the universe whatsoever!
Rich Tennant 5th Wave
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Yes, I've figured out that much. Posting here is just to dilute my sorrow by inflicting it on you folks
BTW none of my programming came from school, it was too long ago for that. Maybe I should go back to school to unlearn some of the nastier hacks I've picked up.
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S u n s h i n e wrote: Posting here is just to dilute my sorrow by inflicting it on you folks
Don't worry, as I like to say: "suffering shared is suffering diluted."
cheers, Bill
“I'm an artist: it's self evident that word implies looking for something all the time without ever finding it in full. It is the opposite of saying : ‘I know all about it. I've already found it.’
As far as I'm concerned, the word means: ‘I am looking. I am hunting for it. I am deeply involved.’” Vincent Van Gogh
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S u n s h i n e wrote: Posting here is just to dilute my sorrow by inflicting it on you folks
Don't worry; as I often say: "suffering shared is suffering diluted."
cheers, Bill
“I'm an artist: it's self evident that word implies looking for something all the time without ever finding it in full. It is the opposite of saying : ‘I know all about it. I've already found it.’
As far as I'm concerned, the word means: ‘I am looking. I am hunting for it. I am deeply involved.’” Vincent Van Gogh
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S u n s h i n e wrote: Maybe I should go back to school to unlearn some of the nastier hacks I've picked up.
The nasty hacks are why you get paid. 
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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I think you are hearing the wonderful old song "Dem Bones" (aka "Dry Bones") : [^]. The full lyrics are there, at that link. My favorite cover of that song is by the Deep River Boys whose version of "Shadrach" makes them immortal: [^].
I'm with Jimmy on strategy in this case. Be sure and practice looking horrified, astounded, revolted, etc., every time the client is present. Sobbing, and threatening suicide, because you are so ashamed of the pile of dung that the other programmers created could also be effective.
Of course, any strategy must be based, first, upon an estimate of what the client can pay
“I'm an artist: it's self evident that word implies looking for something all the time without ever finding it in full. It is the opposite of saying : ‘I know all about it. I've already found it.’
As far as I'm concerned, the word means: ‘I am looking. I am hunting for it. I am deeply involved.’” Vincent Van Gogh
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