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Good points Dave, I have an old Brother HL-1440 that has lasted forever and was relatively inexpensive.
I might add the problem with the newer laser printer is that they provide toner cartridges with a lower page print count so you will need to buy a new toner cartridge sooner.
Dalek Dave wrote: There is often a 'Window' in the toner that by judicious use of a black marker pen and kinetic agitation can extrend the life by 10-20%.
I put a pieve of tape over this window and it extended prints by 1K+ or so.
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If you print more documents then go for laser, if you print more images go for inkjet (since inkjets are better at printing pictures).
Checkout this list from PCMag[^].
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I would also add that if he was image heavy then the choice of paper is just as important.
Cheap copier paper detracts from the quality, whereas a custom photo quality paper makes the colours vibrant and sharp.
The only difference is price, and it is significantly more, up from £2 per ream to £7-£10 per ream.
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I usually buy the run-of-the-mill paper, 80g/ms? The kind of stuff you get anywhere.
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
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Which is absolutely fine for most uses.
For internal accounts I use 65gms, but only because it is thinner and therefore I can get more in a file.
Anything going out the door is 80gms, and for our special stuff, 90gms.
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You _buy_ paper ? I thought everybody would "borrow" it from the office.
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The last ream I bought. I was unemployed at the time so there was no office to "borrow" from.
I must remember at any future interview when asked "Do you have any questions you'd like to ask?" I will reply "Only one. Can I take a ream of paper?" 
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
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Dalek Dave wrote: The only difference is price
And drying time.
There's more than one reason that you might find glossy pages stuck together.
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Mark, you show your age!
I too am old enough to remember the glossy pages.
Who the hell buys them nowadays?
(Last one I bought was a copy of Fiesta as part of a Stag Do celebration to be put into the Groom's carry on bag at the airport).
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Dalek Dave wrote: Who the hell buys them nowadays?
Guys with scanners and torrent clients, apparently.
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I would agree - I have found the the cheaper, thinner papers cause more hassle than they are worth as well - they tend not to feed well and that wastes ink or time clearing jams. I use 90gsm internally, and for documents, but go up to 120gsm for "quality" letters, and keep 260gsm glossy/255gsm Matt and 210 Photo for "picture quality" outputs.
That's another advantage of the Epson printers - since the paper path is closer to straight, you can use a heavier weight or labels without worrying about jams or unpeeling. Unlike HP with a 1 inch 180 degree bend...stupid designers!
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We use an HP A3 Printer that feeds from underneath.
Every sheet that comes out has a delicate curve to it!
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Like others have said, you get what you pay for. If you are serious about a low cost B&W laser that will continue to function as a piece of office equipment for years, pony up and get a good one. Take care of it and it will last years, my parents just got rid of their LaserJet III that we had in the early 90s. And yes, it still worked. I've been less than thrilled with the lower cost home models myself, I just feel that they are not as well made and more prone to failure.
I spent a few years selling office equipment in a big box and saw a lot of Brother and Canon models returned. My bias is and likely always will be for HP LaserJets. I have used a handful of different models, from office to home use, including some of the color lasers. Beyond those 3 brands, nothing else every really sold well, Kyocera here and there I guess.
With lasers it all depends on how much you are going to be printing. They are usually rated for an expected monthly usage. To far over that and you will wear out the machinery. To little use and you might need to clean the fuser. If you get a good model, you will eventually need re-lube the rollers because the rubber dries out and begins to crack. A good laser printer will last that long.
I had a LaserJet 4050 through college and it was the best $250 I spent. I picked up a very seldom used one, at the time it was priced $800 new, but had less than 2000 pages printed through it. A few years ago, I gave it to someone else and it is still going strong last I heard.
The toner cartridges were about $175 each, but gave you about 10000 pages at the standard coverage. The toner is still about $175, so a little less than $0.02 per side. It took a bit to warm up, generally 20-30 seconds but then printed at 17 ppm.
Toner really doesn't expire, it might settle but a quick shake can fix that. I had the same cartridge for almost a decade (which shows how much I printed through college and after), never had any problems with it. As far as HP is concerned, they do not chip/expire their toner but they do recommend you run software that lets you know that you have a genuine cartridge. They claim this is because of counterfeiting, which can cause your warranty to be voided as well as cause damage to your printer. Honestly, if you spend the money on a good printer, get the right toner IMO. They do have standards when they are producing them.
It is the same with ink carts, no matter what the generic manufacturers say, the ink is not the same quality, plus unless you are constantly cleaning the nozzle/print head, the old ink will eventually dry out and cause problems. So HP chipping some of their printers to make sure you don't have that problem is annoying, but I see their point on the high end ink jets. If you want a great print every time, use the right paper and the right ink.
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Your decision is, I believe, very much like the one you face buying a car.
What's your budget, what are you going to do with it, how much are going to use it every month, what's the price of buying new toner-cartridges, how many pages per month do you expect to print. How long do you expect the printer to last; how long is the warranty; and, is local servicing available.
Most of all: what is the quality of output that is the "bottom-line" for you. You may not need even 600x600 dpi resolution to get the quality you want.
If you are involved in the graphic arts, you may wish to decide if you want a monochrome laser printer with genuine Adobe PostScript, rather than a PostScript emulator: there is real difference in quality for certain types of output, and very real differences in quality of certain types of content: for example, very small type in various font formats. The HP and Lexmark emulators of Adobe PostScript have had a very bad rep, but it's been a while since I looked the current crop.
I worked as a PostScript programmer at Cricket, IDD, Emerald City Software, and Adobe (those were the pixellated days, them was), so I may have a bias towards Adobe PostScript. I can say of Adobe PostScript, as Pele said of soccer: "been very good to me."
Alack, alas, these days I can't even achieve tessellation, even starting at square one.
good luck, Bill
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When I read this message it is so innocuous. I've been trying to think up something more expressive than this euphemism. In fact there is nothing automatic here at all - the message has been voted off.
Perhaps "Mission failed".
Any ideas?
Peter Wasser
Art is making something out of nothing and selling it.
Frank Zappa
modified 6-Sep-13 4:49am.
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Message eaten by a Hamster
Message smoked by Hamster who ran outta crack
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Just waiting for the next one in the set.
Peter Wasser
Art is making something out of nothing and selling it.
Frank Zappa
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The possibilities are endless...
-- Poster error. Please do not retry.
-- Message red-bucketed
-- Here were monsters
-- Message forwarded to your mother
etc.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Message red-bucketed
This would be an hyperlink, for sure.
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I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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Probably leading to a page that hasn't been uploaded, yet.
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Message removed - User squashed
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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This Member is a Dickhead ---------------------->
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In all probability, but the motivation is fascinating. I wonder if it's the same guy whose graffiti adorns my bus stop?
Peter Wasser
Art is making something out of nothing and selling it.
Frank Zappa
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Whilst our signatures are quotes from the same person, let me assure you that graffiti is the highest form of art.
It is not done for profit or notoriety.
It's just a pity so much of it is crap, however, good, great and terrific graffiti is free and not sold to anyone.
Peter, I assume that you are a Frank fan. (due to the sig)
Have you found another composer that delights you as much?
"Rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read." Frank Zappa 1980
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