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I am friends with a couple of they guys, and this was my first job out of college. I'm hesitant because I feel bad.
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Stop feeling. (yes yes, easier said than done, do it anyway)
Make a rational decision. That means good for you. Your first responsibility is to yourself.
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Im_no_troll wrote: I am friends with a couple of they guys,
You can still be friends with them when you leave.
I am still friends with people I have worked with 30 years ago.
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Unless your friends are part of the problem, do them a favor and get out, then try to help them get out too. Friends like that are much better than friends who just suffer alongside you.
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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The other guy is leaving as well. He's been here just a bit longer than me. It puts the company back to one programmer  They need to change if they are going to retain people.
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A quick question. Have you told anyone who's in a position to do something about it that the job is toxic? If there's been an issue, you might have been able to get things sorted out just by talking to someone who probably didn't even know there was a problem.
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It's a very small company. I haven't used those exact words, but someone else has.
My manager actually says "this place is toxic" and "I think I'm goina quit" very often. The other programmer here doesn't expect to be here another 3 months. The other two are data processors, and throw temper tantrums pretty regularly.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote: anyone who's in a position to do something about it
I don't think that person exists here. There are only 2 people "above" me. One is the manager, and the other is the boss. It's a small company.
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As long as someone else is aware it's toxic then you've done all that you can. Time to move on.
Whereabouts are you based?
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A bit too far for you to commute to my company then.
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Im_no_troll wrote: My manager actually says "this place is toxic" and "I think I'm goina quit" very often
Believe him and get out of there. 
He won't hold it against you and may even be a good reference in the future if you tell him why you are leaving. After you get another job that is.
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Im_no_troll wrote: I've decided I'm moving on. I don't know how/when to tell the boss.
After you have another job.
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The assumption is it's always the boss. Sometimes it's just one or two cow orkers who tell tales, regurgitate rumors and out right lie, but they cast strife and suspicion amongst all.
Sometimes identifying who these people are and just staying away from them is all that is required for happiness.
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{dc7c68de-3931-43b9-9102-6dbe3972c5c3} wrote: identifying who these people are and just staying away from them is all that is required for happiness.
this is not allowed.
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Been there, done that, moved on, never looked back, happily ever after.
Don't feel bad for leaving, feel bad for the time lost in that place, that's what I realized as soon as I left.
modified 21-Feb-14 9:22am.
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Had the same problem.
My manager left... he was among the first employees in the company, tried to impose his honest point of view, betting on the seniority card and ran into a wall.. now he's happy at google.
My friend in systems left .. after a college kid with no prior linux knowledge, that they hired recently got root access on a production box, 2 weeks after starting... now he's happy at redhat.
After having my hopes crushed, I left as well for a better position.
And last month the last member of our team left the company, after making his life miserable for 4 months longer.
We all met a couple of months ago, and we talked about how things were and why we left, and we all concluded that it was the right decision.
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Don't feel bad, business is business, even when you're close with your coworkers; personally, I wouldn't have come back unless I had no choice, given that unless the reason of the problem goes out, the environment won't change.
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Here he goes again
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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There he went again!
But he'll do an Arnie... He'll be back.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Saw the subject and clicked, all set to jump in with the "dude, look at him though."
Left happy. Not like....gay happy, NTTAWWT.
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He's not gay, he's an effeminate little pr
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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+5!!!
if only i could i would vote +5000
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