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I think there are a lot of countries with the problem of gang rape and rape in general, Its just some rapes get publisised and others are just hidden away as if they never occurred. Rape in general is wrong and there should be tougher sentences to deter would be rapists!
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Law is a joke in India to the extent that India is literally turning into a lawless country and is proving to be highly unsafe for women.
A 17 year old criminal who gang raped a woman in the national capital New Delhi 10 months ago is being treated under juvenile laws and can only get a maximum of 3 years in prison since he is a "juvenile". Old enough to rape but young enough for punishment. Stupid laws lead to bold criminals.
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You have to have a limit somewhere: it can't be a sliding scale of responsibility - "today I am 23% responsible for my actions, tomorrow I will be 24%" - that's just silly. So most legal systems define an age below which you are treated as a juvenile and less responsible than if you were above that age.
I agree it's silly, but you can't make a 4 year old responsible for arson because he found a box of matches and didn't know what he was doing. I would agree that a lower age would probably be more appropriate these days though, given that most 11 year olds seem to know what is right and what is wrong (just they don't care).
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I agree with your 4 year kid example. But in this case, things are little different. If you're capable of raping, then you're not a kid. Got it?
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The problem is - who makes that decision? Since everyone matures at a different rate, someone could become physically capable of the act long before they become mentally mature enough to be responsible for their actions. It is possible to become a father at 11 (New Zealand[^]) or twelve (UK[^]) but it is hard to say that "all 10 year olds are fully responsible for their actions and should be treated as adults" becasu ethey clearly aren't. Indeed, some people never mature mentally enough to be responsible or even understand that actions have consequences.
You can't examine everybody and say "you are an adult" or "you are a child" - there aren't enough qualified people to do that - and even if you could, the "bad guys" would quickly fake it and get permanent immunity.
There has to be a limit somewhere - and probably it is too high - but it isn't the "capability" that determines responsibility - it's the maturity, which is a lot hardre to actually measure.
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We had a kid in Crawley who had her first at 13 and the second at 15. The local paper reported about her a few years ago and apparently, paternity is not known of either child. The photo they published of her and her mum gave the distinct impression that neither of them were the brightest buttons on the jacket.
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Without going into specifics, I generally tend to agree with you on the point of maturity. But what decides maturity? How do you measure it? It can be equally possible that a person has crossed the age of 18 and is still immature.
And the worst part is that once people know that juveniles get lesser punishment for serious crimes like rape and murder, everyone starts playing the juvenile card. Clickity[^]
In India, it is just a matter of few minutes and few dollars to get a birth certificate with a birth date of your choice.
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That's kinda what I said - you can't measure it in any meaningful way, so legal systems take the simplest route and say "Below this age, you are a child, and should be treated as such".
If you can fake your age that easily, then that is a problem that you need to sort out before you start trying to mess with the responsible / not responsible bit, I'd have thought! 
In most western countries it is deliberately difficult to get false proof of age - to prevent juveniles buying alcohol, cigarettes, and such like. Any such false proof might get you a few tins of lager if you are lucky, but try to use them to escape a crime and you will drop yourself right in it! 
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Shameel wrote: Law is a joke in India to the extent that India is literally turning into a lawless country
OK, this is just exaggerated. We have higher rate of corruption but we are no where near a lawless country.
Shameel wrote: highly unsafe for women.
This is sad, but true in many places.
Shameel wrote: A 17 year old criminal who gang raped a woman in the national capital New Delhi 10 months ago is being treated under juvenile laws and can only get a maximum of 3 years in prison since he is a "juvenile". Old enough to rape but young enough for punishment. Stupid laws lead to bold criminals.
I know it is frustrating and stupid, but how many criminals below 18, have you seen committing serious crime? And every law has it's merits and demerits, and sometimes situation takes advantage of it. There is no full-proof law, otherwise we wont be needing any courts or lawyers. We cant change the law every-time this happens.
But I agree it is frustrating in this case.
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It is embarrassing, frustrating, disappointing and very sad news.  
Master.Man1980 wrote: I thought they are decent on there culture.
What this has to do with culture? There are criminals everywhere. It is impossible to have a country full of decent and civilized people.
I am not defending (OK, a little bit), but the amount of population, competition, struggle, hurdles and everyday problems we have in India, the crime rate is fairly low compare to other places.
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After the helicopter ditchings and the recent return to service of the dodgy aircraft, there has been a ditching off Shetland.
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Hope they remember their training: It shouldn't be long until help arrives so with luck they will all survive. The good news is it's "summer", the bad news is that that water never really warms up... ![Rose | [Rose]](https://codeproject.freetls.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
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Glad you weren't on that flight and hope they are all OK.
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Latest on BBC News is that 3 people are currently missing. Lets all hope they find them soon!
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I took a helo out of Luanda, Angola couple years ago to a rig about 3 hours out. When I got into the seat and the helicopter lifted off I felt something dripping on the back of my neck. Felt what it was and it smelled like kerosene (JP-5). I brought it to the attention of the flight engineer sitting across from me, and his exact words:
"Yeah, its only a problem if it stops leaking, let me know if it does, then it means we are out of fuel"
This was before they required HUET, so I didn't have any escape training other than the mandatory 30 minute video they show in the heliport.
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What were you doing back then Ron?
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I work on ballast systems for the floaters (I also do other systems like CCTV, stability, drilling automation, on jack-ups and spud barges). The particular rig I was working on then was the Transocean Richardson.
I've also written control systems for some pretty high profile systems like the IODP active heave compensator for down-hole logging (Chikyu and Joidies Resolution), and some other fun projects for drilling.
(Sorry for the slow response, on vacation at the moment)
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Just seen on the TV news that they have recovered three bodies, with one man still missing.
14 Rescued is good, but my condolences go out the the other families. ![Rose | [Rose]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
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A helicopter ditching is never a good thing. Sometimes not all that bad, but never a good thing.
Glad you weren't on that flight. 
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Why would anyone want to?
Does this mean NSA is hiring?
Will Rogers never met me.
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Roger Wright wrote: Why would anyone want to?
Exactly. People moan about the loss of privacy then expose everything about themselves for the world to see. Utterly pointless.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
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"Uh-oh! Looks like there is already an account associated with this device and/or user."
I really doubt it...
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Satire is often lost, in CP.
You get my upvote, though.
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