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Sorry to say, but that is true...
No wonder they have the highest incarceration rates in the world, as it can easily lead to a circle of paranoia. Which is a funny statement in itself, and quite the brain twister, as some paranoia will lead to more paranoia, therefore making the slightly less paranoid normal....
My brain hurts now 
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Kenneth Haugland wrote: No wonder they have the highest incarceration rates in the world,
Not exactly sure how that follows but a significant factor in the incarceration rate is the drug policies which are stupid in their own way.
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i though that accounted for around 30% or so?
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OriginalGriff wrote: I mean, "What if it had been a real gun?"
It wasn't. So there is no point in discussing. Having imagination does not justify murder.
If the cops had brains they would take cover if they were scared for their lives. They did not, because they were brainless sociopaths with OBAY-ME-OR-YOU'LL-BE-DEAD attitude.
OriginalGriff wrote: "cop killer (13) kills two, goes on spree".
Still less tragic than this one, not to mention the fact it didn't happen, and it wouldn't happen if cops weren't acting like a mob.
OriginalGriff wrote: If you don't comply with that in the US, then you are indeed a f**king moron.
Call it "Evolution in Action".
Ah, 'evolution' that will create population of obedient slaves, never-question-authority morons like these. I hope you'll get to a chance to enjoy in products of this 'evolution'
I'm actually really embarrassed right now for being on the same internet forum with you.
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Mladen Janković wrote: What if it had been a real gun?"
It wasn't.
And how were the cops to know that when staring down the barrel? All this kid had to do was to drop the gun and raise his hands. I find it difficult to have sympathy with people who think (in a land where guns are freely available) that this sort of behaviour is sensible.
Veni, vidi, abiit domum
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Dunno, how 'bout take a fuc*ing cover, then yell "drop your weapon" and see what happens. Seriously you can barely hit anything with AK-47 while you're aiming, much less while the target is behind your back in the cover. It's a risk, but they are paid to take the risk and defuse the situation. Instead they chose the path they are not paid for and escalated the it. If you don't want the risk then quite, don't shoot innocent people.
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So if you think someone has a gun and they refuse to put it down you should hide and see if they actually do shoot anyone before trying to stop them?
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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Mladen Janković wrote: It's a risk, but they are paid to take the risk and defuse the situation. Instead they chose the path they are not paid for and escalated the it
I am rather certain that you are completely wrong. Police forces in the US, all of them, are taught that imminent threat should be met with immediate force. The "defuse" you are referring to only applies to situations where there is no imminent threat or where force cannot be immediately and/or safely applied.
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Mladen Janković wrote:
Prior to this statement I thought you weren't a knob. Now I know you're ripe for South Park style parody.
In short, you're a f***ing brainless knobhead.
Quick, take cover, there's no way we'll get shot over here behind our American made exploda-mobile.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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And there was me trying to ignore him as a troll... 
Gets my vote! 
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger.
English doesn't borrow from other languages.
English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
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So anyone who disagrees with you is a troll, my god, you are so full of yourself.
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The thing is I've never had any respect for you, so it's kind of flattering that you're calling me a knobhead.
modified 26-Oct-13 11:40am.
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Mladen Janković wrote: The thing is I've never had any respect for you, so it's kind of flattering that you're calling me a knobhead.
Cockmuncher, I couldn't give a f*** what you think of me. As a contemptable knob I'm glad you want nothing to do with me.
You live in the land of let's have a long term war with our neighbours (really countrymen) so you should have seen at least conscripted military service. As such, you know that you don't f*** around with the military or police with guns. You would also know that American TV Cop shows and movies are bullshit. You can't just dodge bullets and then shoot a bloke in the edge of the shoulder to make him drop the gun.
Dead Yank was a 13 year old. Not sure if Serbia makes their 13 year olds easily and obviously distinguishable from adults but over here they don't. My 13 year old daughter is 8cm taller than her mother and as tall or taller than the average female adult over here. My son at 13 didn't look anything adult like, but I have run into many Coconuts (Pacific Islanders) who at 13 were as big as me (188cm and 100kg). They're armed with something that looks like a gun and I'm in a country of large gun related deaths, I'm shooting first and asking questions later.
But that is probably because I wear my underpants underneath my clothes. Unlike you, Superman.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Apparently replica/toys have a couloured tip (orange I think) on the barrel, his gun did not have that, he was told to drop the weapon by a cop, he DID NOT. Where do you get off disparaging cops for doing their job. How else are they expected to react, these are the guys who are trained and paid to move towards a disaster not run and hide.
Do you not listen when there is a school shooting in the land of guns, some disaffected teenager shoots and kills n# people, and you expect cops not to shoot in this circumstance.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: Where do you get off disparaging cops for doing their job.
So killing innocent, unarmed people is regular police job nowadays. Okay, good to know.
Mycroft Holmes wrote: move towards a disaster
These mobsters created one.
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The kid did tried to look dangerous and armed - he succeeded.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Mladen Janković wrote: So killing innocent, unarmed people is regular police job nowadays. Okay, good to know.
You obviously have no conception at all of what police work is like.
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Mladen Janković wrote: If the cops had brains they would take cover if they were scared for their lives
Police don't get to run away just because they might get shot. That is how it works.
Mladen Janković wrote: Still less tragic than this one
Nonsense.
Mladen Janković wrote: and it wouldn't happen if cops weren't acting like a mob.
Per the report they were doing exactly what any well trained police officer would do in that situation.
Mladen Janković wrote: Ah, 'evolution' that will create population of obedient slaves, never-question-authority morons like these
Complete utter nonsense. US citizens challenge authority all the time. And the rate at which that is happening has increased dramatically over the years. Read some history.
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The real questionable statement is that the rifle didn't have the orange tip on it that indicates it's not real. It may have, and they could have removed it to cover their collective asses.
I don't trust a cop's statement any more than I trust anyone else's.
At the same time, you got two cops (allegedly) screaming at you to throw down what they think is a weapon, and you make ANY movement that does not make a reasonable indication that you're complying with their demand, and you should expect to be shot for being a retard.
At the same time, cops aren't to be trusted in either action or word. They're trained to believe that anyone that isn't a cop is a bad guy.
It's a screwed up world we live it, and it has nothing to do with "culture" (Dave Auld). It has EVERYTHING to do with human nature and training.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Regrettably, I have to agree.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: They're trained to believe that anyone that isn't a cop is a bad guy.
And also to believe that anyone who is a cop is a good guy. And they protect their own regardless as a result...
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger.
English doesn't borrow from other languages.
English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: They're trained to believe that anyone that isn't a cop is a bad guy.
But to be fair that is what all armed forces do. You don't want to go into a fire fight with someone that you don't trust.
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Shameel wrote: Paranoia?
No, reality. In a country where guns are king, failing to follow instructions by police to put down what they believed to be a weapon, will unfortunately results in a tragic outcome.
Will this continue to serve as a reminder to others? Sadly no, life will go on as if this never happened, and will only impact the friends and family of the individual shot.
Unless there is a radical culture shift, it will continue to happen till the end of time.
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Too bloody stupid to obey a cop when you KNOW they are armed and dangerous.
Being a teenager he could run the gamut of a nice well brought up kid playing with a toy gun to a crazed, drug raddled maniac with a deadly weapon.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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After seeing the replies, I think it would be better to post this somewhere else than the Lounge in the future.
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Well, as a gun owner with a "scary black gun" that someone in an email insulted (no offense taken), I can tell you that the boy did not have a "toy". He either had an airsoft rifle OR a pellet rifle made to look like the real thing.
Again, it's not a toy. It fires projectiles and as such, no orange tip. I can understand the officers' concern. Score 1 for them.
HOWEVER, they seriously f'd up. They took cover behind their car. They had cover. The individual was turning around. What would YOU do if you heard someone yelling at you? It's a natural human reaction. Plus there are insufficient details in the police report - how long between him starting to turn around in response to the "drop it" and when the police opened fire? But, this I find telling:
""The deputy's mindset was that he was fearful that he was going to be shot," said Santa Rosa police Lt. Paul Henry..."
They are already trying to justify the shooting.
Score -3 for them. They overreacted.
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The fact is, I can LEGALLY walk down the street in broad daylight with my firearm, just like this kid was doing.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house.
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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