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Quote: What Would Brian Boitano Do?
You sure you didn't mean to post this in the soapbox?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: You sure you didn't mean to post this in the soapbox?
I have no idea who he is. It is a song in South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut, watched it last night with the kids.
Thought someone here could tell me what it meant without me having to look stuff up.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Boitano was a champion figure skater.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Obligatory Wikipedia citation: [^]
Software Zen: delete this;
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Change his name? 
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I wouldn't ask him I hear he's skating on pretty thin ice. 
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The Iron Lotus?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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This might be a little rude, but how hard can it really be to construct a web site that is linked to a database? There must be thousands of sites that have nearly the same spec or at least some of the main functionality thats required? (Twitter, Facebook, Google etc)
I also wonder how much the government paid for this "wonderschone" page?
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It's not rude at all. You spend nigh 700 million, it should work.
They didn't even begin load testing until the last minute.
But, with this administration, no one is held accountable.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house.
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Thats a lot of money 
Dont they hold some money back until the page is up and running without any major bugs?
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Not if your Exec VP when to school with the first lady...
Charlie Gilley
<italic>You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house.
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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In Norway part of the payment is always held back (I think 30% or so until the contract is finished) and they must pay fines for each day it is delayed. If this isnt standard practise everywhere Im baffeled....
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Well, the problems come from all the (attempted) interaction with other government systems...none of which were meant to be compatible or accessible.
It's not so much the contractor failing to make it work as it is the contractor not telling the government it was out of its mind to even contemplate such a beast.
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With the current administration nothing surprises me.
Of course that would make me a racist terrorist?
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$678 million to create an enrolment website 
I could have done it for around 339,000 times less and that would probably still be overpriced...
[edit - typo correction]
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Hey, it's cheaper than London's Millennium Tent, and the cost is subdivided across almost five times as many taxpayers, so stop complaining.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I haven't made an exhaustive check for this, but it seems Obamacare was built using Ruby on Rails.
If that's the case, then I'm not surprised that they're having severe problems.
Personally I feel that the biggest problem with Ruby on Rails is that it can make incompetent developers look moderately competent - paving the way for software projects that would, and should, have been killed at their inception.
modified 26-Oct-13 7:37am.
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Quote: Personally I feel that the biggest problem with Ruby on Rails is that it can make incompetent developers look moderately competent
Proof of your statment might be found here: Clikety[^] 
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Yes, that's certainly one of the more inactive forums here on CP
But, seriously, I'm not bashing Ruby on Rails, as it makes it relatively easy to get something up and running - which is often a good thing.
Having said that - my feeling about Ruby on Rails is that it's not something I would recommend for production use on a high volume site, and I guess there was a reason for twitter to move from Ruby on Rails to java[^] - a move that I guess was pretty costly, and something that they would not have done if there was any possible way to stick with Ruby on Rails and still have a stable production platform.
I also think that working with a more complex platform weeds out some developers that doesn't have the experience required to work on complex projects - and that this is probably one of the major benefits of choosing a more complex platform.
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I really dont know much about Ruby On Rails or anything on a project on such a massive scale, but it nearly always seem to be a hugh problem in making automatic services for governments work properly, which is kind of wierd, as there is hugh benifits to be found in automating much of the work.
THere has been some previous discussions on this very subject here[^] on the obamacare web site and ruby on rails.
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Kenneth Haugland wrote: previous discussions on this very subject here[^]
Ahh, thanks for the link Kenneth ... missed that one ...
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What I'm curious about is the price, why was it so expressive?
I may be a little naive but I can't image a site costing that much. If it was a piece of electronic equipment then the government has standards that drive the price up but what causes a website to be so costly?
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Hi Mike 
Mike Hankey wrote: what causes a website to be so costly?
The usual suspect is ignorance on the part of the purchaser, and the 90% administrative overhead caused by that ignorance ...
QA should be perfomed by people who know quality when they see it - and that tends to require experience. An m.sc doesn't make you an expert, at best it makes you a novice with the potential to become an expert - something that takes time.
Having said that, I've also found that the US. government have some really good people when it comes to specifications, requirements and quality assurance - and that things like this happens when they, and the procedures they've put in place, are ignored in favor of less experienced, but more buzzword compliant, resources.
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It certainly does - there might be nothing to it, but it's certainly something that makes you wonder why they choose CGI Federal.