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I don't see why any of us would want to name anything Pilf.
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Oh it was Mike.
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I don't see what's so wrong about naming the planet 'e' **ERROR: TABLE 'PLANETS' NOT FOUND** uh...what were we talking about? 
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Randall Munroe is my spirit animal.
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Unicorn Thresher is a great planet name. 
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Not a single Star Trek reference. Impossible! Especially because ';DROP TABLE PLANETS;' clearly shows that code monkeys are not far.
Sent from my BatComputer via HAL 9000 and M5
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And the only Star Wars®©™ (and probably $¢¥£Σ as well) reference was corrupted...
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Pilf - Planet I'd Like to terraForm. Works for me. 
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OriginalGriff wrote: Had to be one of us...
Nope, no bacon.
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I bought the Surface RT when it came out. While I get more use out of the iPad mini and before that the Motorola Xoom, the Surface does have its moments, particularly where remote desktop is concerned. I have Win 8 installed on a test box but don't use it. All my boxes run 7.
Win 8 is the new Vista, the OS people love to hate. I don't use it beyond the Surface because it doesn't really do anything for me on a PC or laptop. Sure, I can zip past Metro and go into the desktop in Win 8, but it doesn't give me anything that Win 7 isn't already doing. It also bears a striking visual resemblance to Win 3.1. Yuck.
I see 8 more as a bridge OS than a right now endeavor. In another year or two, that's the OS average people will be running since that's what they'll get on their new boxes. At which point Metro will seem normal.
That's where I think MS is playing the long game, which I hope will benefit both Windows Phone and tablets. A massive installed base will lead to familiarity and the possibility that people will want their computer, phone and tablet to have a common look & feel. It's not a killer strategy, but it's a reasonable one.
Personally, I don't know any other way MS could do this beyond the schizophrenic creature that is Win 8. You have to have the desktop. There are too many apps out there, and a great many of them would be diminished by a phone UI (I'm going to write a book, produce a feature film, mix an album or sling code on a tablet or my phone? Unlikely.) So, if you want to get in the tablet game, you have to have a second UI suitable for mobile, and somehow try to munge them together.
MS is trying to bring Windows into the mobile era, but it's no small challenge. If they fired Balmer and hired you, how would you approach this problem?
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I was going to suggest "I'd buy Google" - but I suspect they already did that...
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Better yet, get Apple to hire Balmer.
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What you're saying makes a lot of sense and I don't think Win 8 will fail because it is not innovative I think it's more the fact that we're forced to have out PC's, Tablet's, Phone's and the kitchen sink look and feel the same.
I think I would have made Win 8 UI more modular, i.e. what do YOU want it to look like and have "Plug-ins"? to make it look and feel the way the customer wants it, where the "plug-ins"? could be created by someone with a little bit of savvy.
Just my two sense!
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It's a good idea but you're still faced with the same fundamental problem. How do you make one OS work for both desktop and phone without sacrificing usability for apps on either side of the street?
Windows desktop is tedious beyond belief on the Surface. Metro would be a challenge to port a full featured desktop app to without it being equally tedious.
Not an easy problem to solve, to be sure.
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Years ago there was an embedded OS that was very modular in that it allowed the developer to add things to the OS that it needed. Need a GUI drop it in, need a touch capability drop it in,...
It's not impossible.
I don't think a Desktop PC should look and have same functionality as tablet or a phone they are completely different beasts. I don't need or want touch on my desktop and I wouldn't want a tablet without touch.
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Maybe that's the ticket. Stop trying to put Windows on a tablet. Come up with something completely new for tablet and leave Win on the desktop.
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Good idea!
They could call it DanDroidOSi so as not to get sued...
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Christopher Duncan wrote: How do you make one OS work for both desktop and phone ...
The question I would ask is Why? The two operating systems are used in different contexts (I think on different CPU hardware?) and I see no need to force them to be the same. Making desktop/laptop and phone the same to me is like forcing MS Word and Excel to be the same program. It could be done, but things are just fine with them separate.
Windows 8 is the second coming of Microsoft Bob. The only thing they left out is the Fisher-Price logo.
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Harvey
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Why? Mainly because some highly paid marketing people have tended the heard and pointed them into the direction that "this is the future" There are no Laptops, there are no PCs.. Only devices.. Each persons digital needs and levels of advanced functionality are determined by the device.. But the "experience" should be the single common denominator.
The idea is you buy a phone, using it becomes second nature, how cool if your tablet for school or work happens to work exactly the same way. You are more effective and productive on it and the phone becomes what you use abroad and in a pinch.. Then you set down in front of the laptop/ultrabook/desktop to do more powerful stuff. Video editing, photo editing, document creation, professional grade stuff. You again have the same core types of apps and a [now] familiar experience across the board. [break out into singing John Lennon "Imagine"].
the 2 flaws I find in the story.. A major generational gap. Starting with the phone as your gateway drug may work for todays people, but the billion plus users of 3-5-10 years ago are cast away. The other, there hasn't been clear evidence that even the mass consumer "wants" this either.
I've had spirited conversations with colleagues and friends regarding the pros and cons of an all in one experience. I stand behind my opinion that Apple has little by little made OSX UI more iOS-ish, Google has always tried to make Android a be all OS with Chrome OS seeming to cover the other side of the spectrum, various Linux distros have tried to cover broader device spectrums.. And MS has shown it's willing to go all in with "ONE" experience. The first platform to achieve singularity, despite the angst of it's congregation and past business models, will be successful.
I'm fortunate/unfortunate enough to have entered my career in the dot com bubble burst.. Back when it was still "smart user/dumb phone", light dimming desktops reigned supreme and laptops were for road warriors and executives to spit out crap when they weren't at their corner office.
If it were me doing it.. I'd have phased 8 in much the same way Windows phased in changes since Windows 3.1. Win8 flat drab UI would have been a theme. Win8 would be desktop primary if no touch device enabled, giving you the win7 "upgrade" without spoon feeding everything Metro at day 1. Then, if touch is found and enabled I'd probably configure it as it is. Idea being Desktop is Desktop but if user wants the "familiar" experience as his or hers winphone, xbox, or surface.. Then it's there and the love/hate duality of the UI lives on. Key is, choice.. Steer the heard down the path of destiny all you want.. But minimize the damage while you anger everyone equally.
For Word and Excel to be the same program reference... It was called MS Works (upto 2000 I think) and actually worked quite well for the casual user/student.
Speaking of Bob.. suing MS is trendy again.. I think all the Bobs of the world should unite and sue for use of their name and defamation. Not only did they use the name do build a brand, but the brand ended up being a blemish MS will never live down. Lifetime of damages to everyone named Bob.
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Christopher Duncan wrote: How do you make one OS work for both desktop and phone without sacrificing usability for apps on either side of the street?
You don't.
They are completely different devices that are only related by the fact that they have an operating system.
So does a TV.
So does a DVD/BluRay recorder.
So does a microwave oven.
So does a one-armed bandit.
So does everything else that contains computer technology.
Forcing a wrong OS/user interface onto a wrong device is a mistake that only a complete idiot could make.
"Hey! Computers and microwaves and phones all have numeric keypads! Let's give 'em all TV remote controls!"
[edit] For some peculiar reason, I had typed "keyboards" instead of "keypads".
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
modified 20-Aug-13 5:22am.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: "Hey! Computers and microwaves and phones all have numeric keypads! Let's give 'em all TV remote controls!"
Well, don't mind me, but i would looooove a remote control for my microwave...The more buttons the better too.
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Really? I don't much see the point. You'd still have to go to it to put stuff in and get it out.
Besides, some bluddy woman would probably monopolise it.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Really? I don't much see the point. You'd still have to go to it to put stuff in and get it out.
Yes, that is true, and I failed to explain why I would love that.
I used to fight with my former girlfriend over how much time popcorn should stay in the oven. She always kept it about one min further than detailed in the instructions (she liked them well burned), and I would always go and stop the microwave, to which she would go and start it again, and so on. In that case, I was actually praying for a remote.
Mark_Wallace wrote: Besides, some bluddy woman would probably monopolise it.
As well they should.I'd rather not respond to that, temptation for a sexist joke is almost unbearable...
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