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I think you'll find that that's irrelevant.
At no point did I say that the restaurant would not be able to throw him out.
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Nope, you stated that he had three options:harold aptroot wrote: So anyway, he was faced with some choices:
1) leave
2) put it away without folding it
3) debate That is simply not the case.
Were he in his own home, his mother's house, a public building, or his place of employment, he might have had some or all of those options, but a restaurant is private property, and has a code of conduct/public-service contract which gives him only two options:
1) Stop behaving like a dick, causing annoyance to staff and customers.
2) Get thrown out.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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You can absolutely have an argument with a restaurant manager and convince him/her that you shouldn't be thrown out.
And besides, you can debate and lose.
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You can argue with anyone, any time, but that doesn't change your rights/options, and will certainly p1ss off the decent patrons of the establishment.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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It adds the option of "have a debate". It increases the chance of winning because while that chance may be small, it is zero if you just take your leave.
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I fear that people at other tables, trying to enjoy their meals, will think of him as being quite the reverse of a winner, no matter the outcome of his childish, petty "debate" -- and I would tend to agree with their assessment.
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Absolutely.
Also irrelevant.
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harold aptroot wrote: Absolutely. We're agreed, then: Only a d1ckhead and a loser would "debate" the issue, which is fully covered both by law and the guidelines of decent behaviour.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Yes, I'd hate the guy who disturbed my meal with his stupid debate, and I expect most people would feel the same way.
I'd also be the guy who disturbs other peoples' meals with his stupid debate, knowing full well that people will hate me for it.
That makes me a dickhead, and I'm ok with that.
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I agree with you, I would of debated the policy also as I think it's unfair however I think he shouldn't of mentioned income reductions or termination of the staff member, it put's himself in a negative light.
Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer)
www.simonshugar.co.uk
"If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil
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Yes, I guess that was a bit douchey of him..
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These days our mobile devices are very good at keeping us in touch with people thousands of miles away and are equally good at distancing those close to us.
We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP
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Certainly in the UK, a bar (and it's staff) have the right to refuse service to anyone for any (or no) reason.
If a bar decides "no Glass" or even "no phones" then that is it's decision - and you go along with it or go elsewhere.
I'm willing to bet that if you went into Vegas casino with Glass on, you would be politely but firmly asked to remove them or leave...
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That's why you bring your SmartWatch into any vegas casino
Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer)
www.simonshugar.co.uk
"If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil
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Just out of curiosity, what if a bar decides to refuse service to all members of a specific race?
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What, like the London Marathon?
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Yeah, they are a dang nuisance that lot. "36,000 pints of lager and a packet of crisps, please"
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The European Court of Human Rights goes on standby...
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Simon Lee Shugar wrote: ...shouldn't of...
Simon Lee Shugar wrote: ...would of...
Simon Lee Shugar wrote: ...shouldn't of...
Are you doing that deliberately to annoy us "grammar-nazis"?
It's "have", not "of".
Also:
Simon Lee Shugar wrote: ...it put's himself in a negative light.
There's no apostrophe in "puts", and it should be "him", not "himself".
This lesson brought to you by the Pedant arm of the Grumpy Old Gits association.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
modified 27-Nov-13 9:49am.
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Sorry, its not something I'd usually take note of in forums. Anything written by me on a forum is just quick and dirty.
(edit: bad grammar)
Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer)
www.simonshugar.co.uk
"If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil
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I'll reply to this post to take into context the discussion above as well, but my quote is actually from your first one:
Richard Deeming wrote: There's not apostrophe in "puts", and it should be "him", not "himself".
Shouldn't that be "there's no apostrophe", or "there's not an apostrophe"?
And no, my English is by no means perfect. Grammanize at will!
This isn't a signature
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Damnit! Why does every attempt to correct someone else's grammar contain at least one mistake?
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Richard Deeming wrote: Damnit! Why does every attempt to correct someone else's grammar contain at least one mistake?
It's Carma in action.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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