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We all know about the shortages of parts needed to manufacture electronics (and cars that need those components).
Seems to me that this would make the "right-to-repair" arguments even stronger, because due to these shortages, we are reverting away from being a "throw-away" society.
Thoughts?
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This man here (Louis Rossman) has been fighting for the "right to repair" movement/campaign for many years now. He has even partnered with farmers and farm equipment repair persons and companies (farmers right to repair - i.e. John Deere equipment, etc.).
Louis Rossman owns his own tech repair company. Apple in particular is his main enemy, as Apple does not like "right to repair".
https://www.youtube.com/user/rossmanngroup[^]
I am all for right to repair: technology, machines, tractors, cars, etc. you name it.
modified 13-Aug-21 5:52am.
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Agreed. I've been watching Louis for years, mainly on how to repair electronics. I can't see spending so much on devices that are designed to be thrown away after a couple of years. I horde electronics and my stash is getting too big. I hate that so much engineering and work went into a marvel of modern engineering being tossed into a land fill. Companies like Apple should be made to foot the bill for all of the hazardous waste they produce each year. Maybe they would change their ways if that happened.
"When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others; same thing when you are stupid."
Ignorant - An individual without knowledge, but is willing to learn.
Stupid - An individual without knowledge and is incapable of learning.
Idiot - An individual without knowledge and allows social media to do the thinking for them.
modified 19-Nov-21 21:01pm.
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Donathan Hutchings wrote: Companies like Apple should be made to foot the bill for all of the hazardous waste they produce each year
But wait...that would affect their bottom line, and would also risk their position as one of the companies with the largest market caps in the world. You can't have that.
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Unfortunately, you are correct. Too many companies are making money off of this financial model and too many customers who don't care. The customers want their immediate excitement and validation "fix". Companies like Apple seem more like dealers in this scenario and the customers more like junkies. All I can say is that this will not end well for any of us in the long run.
"When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others; same thing when you are stupid."
Ignorant - An individual without knowledge, but is willing to learn.
Stupid - An individual without knowledge and is incapable of learning.
Idiot - An individual without knowledge and allows social media to do the thinking for them.
modified 19-Nov-21 21:01pm.
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It might just be about time to watch The Gods Must Be Crazy again. Thanks for words that made me remember it. 
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YES!!! This! That is an amazing movie. that's a great suggestion for the movie tonight! 
"When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others; same thing when you are stupid."
Ignorant - An individual without knowledge, but is willing to learn.
Stupid - An individual without knowledge and is incapable of learning.
Idiot - An individual without knowledge and allows social media to do the thinking for them.
modified 19-Nov-21 21:01pm.
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Donathan Hutchings wrote: Companies like Apple seem more like dealers in this scenario and the customers more like junkies
I've despised Apple since I was a kid because of their outright arrogance. Their customers stick with them like it's a religion, and I've always found the whole thing to be downright disgusting. Apple to me represents crass consumerism in the worst way imaginable.
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Just curious... which of Apple's competitors do you feel is less crass?
Google? Microsoft? Samsung? Dell? HP? Lenovo?
Why?
I ask because they all seem equally crass to me. I know people just as loyal to these brands as I see others loyal to Apple and every one of these brands is out to make money for their investors.
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Have you watched any of Louis Rossman's videos?
Spoiler Alert: Apple are bastards in ways the others you've mentioned could only dream of being.
Around 20 years ago, Apple wanted $80 to diagnose the problem with an $800 ipod. All I'd done was try to transfer files without using their iTunes crapplication. $1000 to diagnose the problem in a $10,000 car - I uh, I don't think so!
That shop isn't there any more. The drycleaners next door were there 40 years ago and still are. 
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enhzflep wrote: in ways the others you've mentioned could only dream of being.
My experience says otherwise. I've had pretty awful experiences with Microsoft, HP, Compaq, etc...
Does Mr. Rossman do any videos about them? Or is he focused on Apple?
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He attempts repairs on the machines that people bring him. He doesn't do exclusively Apple stuff.
You're right - it would be so much easier to dismiss him if it were obvious he was unfairly biased.
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Nobody - nobody is as "religious" about any other company as Apple's fans are. You might have people who are loyal to some of the companies you mentioned, but it's still not a religion to them. Don't confuse brand loyalty with...this.
That's the distinction that makes them unique.
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... And in that respect, Tesla is the Apple of the car industry.
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You're probably right, although I don't know enough Tesla owners to form my own opinion on this yet.
I actually only know two. One, I haven't yet spoken to and haven't got any of his thoughts, and the other...well, lets just say he got it brand new and it's spent 3 weeks in the shop because of "some electrical problem", as in, the headlights won't even come on. That's about all I know. I'm waiting to talk to him some more to figure out exactly WTF is going on.
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So your religious hatred of Apple is mostly based on others liking them and less about Apple products / services or the company proper?
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It's not my "religious hated", its their fan's blind faith in Apple that gets my goat. Apple can do no wrong in their eyes. The company knows it and they're coasting on it.
It's like scientology. You just want to throttle those people and tell them to WAKE UP, PEOPLE!!! They're not the perfect entity they want them to believe, and only exist to exploit them for how naïve they are.
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I've never been an Apple fan, but they are the entire reason that "right to repair" is even required as a concept. I hate the whole company pretty deeply for that.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity."
- Hanlon's Razor
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Perhaps Apple and John Deere?
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I'm for it but I'm afraid once trained it'll be hard to undo.
The less you need, the more you have.
Even a blind squirrel gets a nut...occasionally.
JaxCoder.com
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I can't understand how it is even possible for someone to tell me I can't repair a piece of hardware I bought. I can use it, I can rip it into pieces, I can paint it bright pink. But to not be allowed to repair? Isn't that overstepping the bounds a little? It also seems totally again any free-market argument one would raise.
And that doesn't even touch on the moral issues with a law that says "we will force you to waste resources".
cheers
Chris Maunder
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The free-market argument would be that the purchase was subject to such a contract and you weren't forced to buy.
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Touche
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Is that what they even mean by "right to repair"?
I was under the impression that "right to repair" zealots were demanding that manufacturers build products so they're not difficult to repair. Like screws instead of glues...
Not sure I want my government or any other telling manufacturers how to design products. As long as a product is safe and functional, I prefer to let the market decide a product's fate.
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I think it has more to do with licensed firmware/software, testers/analyzers, and parts availability.
One of the things I always liked about Dell and a few others: they put maintenance manuals on line. But forget getting a parts for a 5 year old system. eBay is your friend there.
>64
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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