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*cough*innumerate*cough*
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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I was quite specific, and accurate. They can't write, either, though the OP didn't mention that fact. The two skills go hand in hand, and those lacking either are doomed to failure.
Will Rogers never met me.
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I use that method to help students who think subtraction is too hard, and in-fact I will sometimes use it in my head for rapid math. I definitely prefer the long-hand version when writing, however, as it is less error prone. I think the biggest gap is that most of the teaching methods now are so focused on trying to teach below average students methods of how to understand simple concepts it leaves every one else in the cold. Certainly takes quite a while to think dumb enough to understand many of the common core methods.
Sadly, they make sense if you are lost or clueless but as as student who was left out to dry using the really old methods because it was too easy, I really feel for the top 55% now who will be left out with this. Private school if I ever have kids, I swear.
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Spot on the money. I know a few retired teachers, including one who was only teaching 'gifted' students. In order to get the most $$ from the gov't, the schools are aiming at the lowest performing students. It doesn't matter how good the gifted students are... only how many students are above the line.
The more kids you get to pass a -basic- skills test, the more $$ the school system gets.
My friend watched the budget for the 'gifted' students get cut to where they couldn't even have enough teachers for accelerated classes. All the while, more teachers aids were hired to help problem students.
We are becoming a society of mediocrity... and by mediocre... it is an average that has a lower bar every year.
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My daughter is getting to the preteen age, and boys are starting to like her. She's still not exactly sure how she feels about that, but that'll come along. She likes the romantic ideas about being special to someone.
Anyway, she's a green belt in Isshin Ryu Karate. Shes had some striking training at my gym, and very little grappling. She knows the various reasons it's important to be able to protect yourself, as well as be confident. We've went over several of them. I wish she would have taken to grappling more, but she's just not into that particular bit.
After getting her green belt, the karate school came under new Sensai-ism (made that up). She didn't like the new guy, so after trying to adjust eventually dropped out. She's just been doing sports since then, and no martial arts.
So I told her:
"You're wanting to hang out with friends alone more often. The boys have been looking at you recently, and you're getting older." (she makes the face here). "When the time does come where you are thinking about boys.. your mom and I have talked and come to a decision. If you want to have a boyfriend, the only thing we require is that you take kickboxing. You don't have to grapple, but you must take kickboxing"
She agreed, and not much else was said. She just asked me if I could start teaching her kickboxing again.
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loctrice wrote: If you want to have a boyfriend, the only thing we require is that you take kickboxing.
I was going to say something about subliminal expectations of male violence, but then I realized, if she doesn't like grappling, I doubt you have much to worry about.
Marc
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Kickboxing is a good choice, she only needs to hit once.
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Also, teach her that she is not allowed to date until at least age 16 and then do group dates. If she follows those rules she'll be much less likely to ever need kickboxing skills.
Still teach her kickboxing though.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Quote: group dates So you are encouraging orgies?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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I hope she never needs those skills unless she decides to compete. However, I still want her to have them.
Besides, there are many things a person gains on the way to being self-defense efficient, aside from the actual battle tactics involved.
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Agreed.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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You might look into hapkido for her. It's Korean for "maiming and killing in painful fashion" I believe, and the training can be done from video tapes with a willing victim for practice. Simple twists and leverage are all that's required, without great strength. It's especially useful for removing unwanted hands in a special way that will discourage a repeat offense.
Will Rogers never met me.
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In an unarmed fight with a single opponent, I don't value anything higher than kickboxing. Especially if that opponent is trained in any art. I have several reasons for this.
However, as a secondary skill I think hapkido would be fine. If I get a preference on a second skill, since she doesn't want to do grappling, I would say knife fighting. I enjoyed the bits of kali knife stuff I learned, and it's the second most practical thing to happen IMO.
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loctrice wrote: I don't value anything higher than kickboxing.
yeah coz all things are equal.
dude its the dude/ess doing it not the martial art.
Bryce
MCAD
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I don't think that is correct. Nothing I've seen leads me to believe that is true.
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what you have seen (e.g. the story below) and what is the case is actually two different beasts and they're easy to confuse.
Those that are not suited to the style of training yuor describe elsewhere tend to leave, so you're left with the people who are more suited to it(or just like it and thus the training is effective for them). Thus an observer sees a self selecting group being trained in a particular way - and draws a conclusion.
Take that same self selecting group and training them in another style and you are more than likely have the same result.
Bryce
MCAD
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bryce wrote: what you have seen (e.g. the story below) and what is the case is actually two different beasts and they're easy to confuse.
This part of the thread doesn't have anything to do with the story below. I'm not sure hwo you are relating them.
I've got a little more experience than just reading someone else's post.
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There is a BIG difference between training with a willing opponent and fighting. I had a teacher who taught everything from combat submission wrestling, Jeet Kun Do, Kali - Silat, Muay Tai, Karate...
He would tell the Kickboxing and CSW class that "a few months of full contact sparring here and you can beat any 'point sparring' black belt".
It is very true. I watched some of his more advanced "traditional martial arts" guys come to the class and as soon as it was full contact, they were like a deer in the headlights.
There is a phrase from the first generation MMA circuits (I forget who said it). Punch a BJJ blackbelt in the face and he becomes a blue belt. Do it again and he is a white belt.
That isn't entirely true any more, but if you don't train full contact, it isn't real.
However, that said, kickboxing has a lot of things it cannot prepare for: ground fighting, multi-opponent, weapons, coercion, drug induced crazy... usually the best defense is running really fast and screaming really loud.
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I strongly agree with everything you've said.
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Pualee wrote: usually the best defense is running really fast and screaming really loud.
On the assumption that the best defense is a good offense, kick boxing still has a lot to offer. Once you put your foot into your attackers family jewels, he'll be rolling on the ground whimpering quietly instead of screaming and chasing you.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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I'd agree with most everything here, but the initial learning has to use a willing assistant, especially in an art like hapkido, since it's most effective when it's automatic. Once that is ingrained, live sparring is essential to perfecting the skill. That's one of the things I liked about my school, when it was open; sparring nights. It wasn't required, but it was encouraged and the smarter students took advantage of it.
Pualee wrote: usually the best defense is running really fast and screaming really loud.
Very true, and there's no shame in living to fight another day. I've never lost a fight in the first five miles...
Will Rogers never met me.
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I tell my students - "Run the like coward i am"
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Oh and cowards live longer
Bryce
MCAD
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bryce wrote: tell my students
That explains why you were so touchy about the martial arts thing.
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i'm not touchy if you want to touch me you have to pay me like all the other programmers
Bryce
MCAD
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For some reason this reminded me of This shirt[^]
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