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... neither works. 
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Try again after dropping your habit of making sense 
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A shot of gin would probably help... then again, maybe more than a shot is needed in his case! 
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Have you tried looking at it from the point of view of someone trying to argue with a software developer?
Evidently we're...challenging.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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I think you're wrong about that...
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It's not the developers' who are at fault. It's the bloody users!
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: It's not the developers' who are at fault. It's the bloody users! all the World around them!
FFY.
THESE PEOPLE REALLY BOTHER ME!! How can they know what you should do without knowing what you want done?!?!
-- C++ FQA Lite
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CPallini wrote: Nagy Vilmos wrote: It's not the developers' who are at fault. It's the bloody users! all the World around them!
FTFY.
FTFY!!
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
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Chris Maunder wrote: Evidently we're...challengingchallenged.
FTFY
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Chris Maunder wrote: Have you tried looking at it from the point of view of someone trying to argue with a software developer?
Not to mention, real women don't like to argue. It's childish. It's little girls that never grew up that do.
Jeremy Falcon
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I beg to differ, I am easy to get along with. I don't mind my company at all. Everyone else though... 
Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.
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Eh, he, guessed the punch line. 
THESE PEOPLE REALLY BOTHER ME!! How can they know what you should do without knowing what you want done?!?!
-- C++ FQA Lite
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: neither works
It would not matter anyway.... you would still be wrong. 
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But which leads to make-up sex?
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
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The other way.
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Alas. 
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
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Have Microsoft binned Aero, like they did with Silverlight. Finally realised that XP front end (start button etc.) was good, I mean having had an interface that has worked for over 10 years there has to be something good about it.
The everything works the same way(?) only works if the devices are designed that way (i stuff), I think for a long time apple was haemorrhaging money for a while wasn't it? Microsoft seemed to try to copy OSx (Vista) got it wrong went back (Win 7) and are trying again (Win 8)... My mum is happy with Windows 2000 (she got use to XP) and Windows 8 has led to phone calls along the lines 'I logged off, the thing is still flashing at me'.
 as was said yesterday Aero, Ribbon, Win 8 (desktop, start button, who needs 'em) got there marching orders.
Glenn
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Wouldn't it be pure speculation at this point?
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Quote: Wouldn't it be pure speculation at this point?
Oh yes, if it wasn't I wouldn't need a job! However the Windows phone is too late to compete against the Droids & iPhones on anything but a corporate level (Blackberry etc.) the only real option is to kit out your staff with an iPhone/iPad (as "Google isn't very secure" to quote a customer of ours).
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I think it came down to battery life didn't it, they found that they could squeeze more life out of a battery when aero was turned off, so they turned it off for everybody for a laugh
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Never really used Aero, so I can't comment.
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Have you watched the latest Apple keynotes where they go on and on and ON about their "translucent, in context" UI - aka Aero?
I found the irony delicious.
However, I love Aero - I think it really does provide a sense of context in that you get a hint of what's underneath. I think apple have actually taken it too far in that it feels like it's used too much and is too distracting, but Microsoft pulling it completely out of Win8 seemed backwards. Their reasoning was that it was looking old and tired, but I always felt that the Metro design, as it was implemented, would look retro very, very quickly. Too stark, too cold, too clinical.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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+5 forpointing out the irony.
Yet I always felt Aero to be pointless. It does give nice cues, but only when you have bulky borders which reduce space for content. With minimal borders and typical applications, the additional cues are near zero.
I understand the Metro design as a "reset to zero": what is the minimum UI we actually need. Instead of stacking more jewelry on the pig, get rid of the pig.
Iteratively adding in not-so-useless-after-all features (like an accessible shut down button  ) could actually be considered as "Microsoft listening to users", but that would destroy the Microsoft Sucks narrative.
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peterchen wrote: Yet I always felt Aero to be pointless.
I've always liked Aero. Is it basically eye candy? Of course, but so what? If I have to work with an OS all day (as long as it's functional) I prefer it has a bit of style and beauty. Kinda like a woman...
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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To stick with your comparison: it made most apps look like a very boring woman with a lot of expertly applied makeup. That's nice as decoration, but not so much to work with.
But yeah, I see that this is a personal preference. If someone is having fun with it, why not? It also doesn't really *hurt* me to work with it.
Still, I prefer Metro - just seeing icons being icons (instead of a professionally lighted 3D salad of more pixels than my first screen had) is kind of a relief.
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