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I live in a converted barn - very thick walls of Yorkshire Stone. No cavity insulation at all. It's lovely and toasty - the Aga helps (horrible in summer, we have to switch the Aga off)
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I turned mine on this year when it snowed for 12 hours straight on 12/31. Things got a little chilly, since my place has only R-7 rated walls. Until that cold snap, I'd been running a pair of oil filled radiators on medium setting, which kept the place at around 65°F. The snow didn't stick much, but it hasn't snowed in Bullhead City in 40+ years.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: ...when do you need to turn the heating on?
When the inside temperature falls below 65 F.
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We have most of the home thermostats set at 64 F. 
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Munchies_Matt wrote: when do you need to turn the heating on?
When my wife says it's time.
Only half joking there since I tend to just put on a sweatshirt when the temp drops and can work when the house drops to 13 or so. (sorry...used to Fahrenheit.) That's the day-time temp we have set on our thermostat.
That said, I think there is a cumulative effect so that oustside temp isn't only factor. If it's been warm for several days it takes a couple of days for the inside temp to drop low enough that heat comes on during the day. (It's +2c here now and that's as warm as it's been for a few weeks so the gas meter has been spinning faster than I like)
There may be another difference. My experience is that many homes in the UK (London, Scotland) and Europe (France) are "cozier". In the US we tend to like expanses of space (e.g. the room I am in has a 20 foot...er 6meter ceiling), which is less energy efficient.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: when do you need to turn the heating on?
When the base temp outside is -12 degrees F 
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This is something I have been dealing with in my house since I moved in 5 years ago. I don't even want to know how much it cost the previous owners, as most of the house did not have any insulation, the heat supply duct work was in shambles, and it seemed the doors / windows had been fitted by someone half drunk.
I am obsessive about finding heat loss in the house (yea on the really cold nights I walk around with a laser thermometer looking for cold spots).
All stuff you don't notice in the middle of Summer (the time of year I bought the house). Though I will say finding, fixing and improving the house has been great fun!
Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: their economy would have just tanked.
No, because they would still have demanded that taxpayers in England bail them out.
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They would have had to to go to the IMF, they wouldn't even have had EU membership signed off yet. It would have been a disaster.
What both the US and UK govs should do is buy the oil off their producers at say 60$ a barrel, and stock pile it. After Suadia gives up playing its games and the proce goes back to 75$ it can be sold for a profit.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: They would have had to to go to the IMF
I doubt it. Even with a "yes" vote we would have had to support them for a good many years while they attempted to get control of their affairs.
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When you say "we" ... are you an expatriate Briton or an Anglophile Frenchman?
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Munchies_Matt wrote: After Suadia gives up playing its games and the proce goes back to 75$
What makes you think that it would go up again? And where did the number 75 come from?
I've heard 75, 80 and 100, but those are not fair prices; they are limits.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: For whatever reason oil prices are being held low.
Can you prove that statement? It looks like a fair price to me, as determined by the market.
Munchies_Matt wrote: That's going to change and prices will go up.
Not unless there's either more demand (where would that come from?) or less supply.
Munchies_Matt wrote: To what I don't know, but half way between here and their high would be expected.
Weird expectations
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Munchies_Matt wrote: Oil price is not governed by fair market, its governed by a cartel, OPEC
Ah, so Russia and America are part of it nowadays? As is ISIS?
Why should OPEC have to cut their supply? If the muricans want more expensive oil, let them cut their own supply.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: America isn't exporting, so what it does wont affect the global price.
It is a producer. Since it produces more, it imports less. Means that less countries can sell oil to the Americans. So, yes, I'd expect that it would affect the price.
Munchies_Matt wrote: You can also add in Libya now producing oil, softening demand from asia and
Europe, and you have an oversupply situation.
So why would prices rise? Do you expect Libya to cut oil? Expecting more demand from Europe? Or do you expect that America will "liberate" the OPEC countries?
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I'm not talking about where else you go for answers and the like (I'm sure we all use StackOverflow), but what other forums or resources do you contribute to on a regular (or irregular) basis? Do you write articles or blogs for other forums? If so, which ones.
Just curious as I spotted a couple of CPers over an another forum recently, and wondered if this was common.
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