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I wouldn't have it any other way
Of all the things I am being not-a-father is the most awesome!
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Unless you happen to be royalty. Then you are the kingfisher.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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Did that one come easy, or did you have to mullet over?
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OriginalGriff wrote:
If you take your kids fishing, are you the Codfather? |
Why would you fish for your own kind?
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Can we turtle these fish puns?
Mongo: Mongo only pawn... in game of life.
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Do you mean I should fin-ish with them?
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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There is no need to keep carping on about them.
Mongo: Mongo only pawn... in game of life.
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You're trying to put me in my plaice, aren't you?
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Holy mackerel, I can't tackle this any more.
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Yeah, it's gilling me.
/ravi
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Sorry Ravi, that one was a sinker.
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Thanks for letting minnow.
/ravi
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First, one must be the father and not the mother.
Second, a Cod must be caught.
Third, as to being the actual Codfather, if yer the father of the Cod.... somethin' fishy definitely goin' on...!
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On a scale of one to ten, this pun really is floundering. Bottom fishing if ever I saw it. I was totally sharked that you would have no conch-ence whatsoever.
The moray of this story has not yet been fully flayed out.
Ravings en masse^ |
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"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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Is the catfishing too?
Don't make the kids go deepwater flathead and let the Oldwife [^] stay home.
In Word you can only store 2 bytes. That is why I use Writer.
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Do people here actually like the Oracle database?
Especially when compared to SQL Server.
It seems everything I did so easily in SQL Server seems to be difficult or even impossible in Oracle.
So far I like the for loops and the some_table.some_column%type type declarations.
I'm not looking for Oracle hate or a religious war.
I really just want to know what's so great about Oracle so I can enjoy it too (so far it's been mostly frustration).
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Sander Rossel wrote: I really just want to know what's so great about Oracle
Well, it's got a cooler name...
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Worked at a place once that had MS developer tools w/MVC front-end with an Oracle backend. Oracle has a set of plugins/extensions for VS, that makes integrating with VS and Entity Framework, a lot easier.
It took a while to get used to some things, like schemas (oracle) versus individual databases(SQL Server), etc. PL-SQL is nice, but I found that many people would put too much business logic in there, for my taste.
Sander Rossel wrote: so far it's been mostly frustration
It can be, no doubt.
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Slacker007 wrote: Oracle has a set of plugins/extensions for VS, that makes integrating with VS and Entity Framework, a lot easier. We wanted to use those, but then...Slacker007 wrote: many people would put too much business logic in there Those people took over and used their own tools... Now EVERYTHING is a package
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Worked at one place where the Oracle packages make web calls back out to services, including constructing and posting XML messages to SAP.. Jeez!
Oracle is (IMO) more powerful than SQL Server, but I'm not sure that's always a good thing? It seems to make it too easy to create a bad system architecture in the long run.
I came into this game for the action, the excitement. Go anywhere, travel light, get in, get out, wherever there's trouble, a man alone. Now they got the whole country sectioned off, you can't make a move without a form.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Brent Jenkins wrote: Oracle is (IMO) more powerful than SQL Server, but I'm not sure that's always a good thing? It seems to make it too easy to create a bad system architecture in the long run.
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Brent Jenkins wrote: Oracle is (IMO) more powerful than SQL Server I've heard that a lot (it's what every Oracle user says), but why though?
I've asked people, but never got a satisfying answer.
One person even said "SQL Server can't handle big databases that are larger than 30GB."
I've heard "Oracle has packages[^]", but I fail to see what's so great about that. I have a header for public access and my package body can have some private stuff. First of all, the entire header is duplicated in the body, which really annoys me (and I know other languages have it too). But why would you want private functions in your database anyway? They're only going to be used by your own software and it's not like you get all those private functions in your intellisense! A package, to me, is really only a set of functions and procedures that can be edited by only one person at a time (or the last one who saves overwrites the other's changes). Besides, if you want to "group" stuff in SQL Server just use a schema (I know, not entirely the same).
If anything, packages are "nice" at best.
Next to that Oracle doesn't support booleans/bits, it only has one numeric type that fits all, it doesn't have table variables like SQL Server has, you can't write ad-hoc scripts with some variables and return them in a table (I haven't found it anyway).
And forget about decent tooling too! The company where I currently work even created their own Toad-like tool for working with Oracle because no tool sufficiently did what they wanted (back in the 80's early 90's). I use Oracle SQL Developer, but that's an amateurish play toy compared to even the Express version of SQL Server Management Studio.
Good luck with the documentation too, not nearly as comprehensive as SQL Server.
And we're talking about one of the most expensive databases out there (if not THE most expensive)!
Here comes the best part, Oracle people now tell me I was "spoiled" by SQL Server and its features and tooling and now I fail to see how awesome Oracle is... WHAT THE...!?
The only plausible thing I've heard so far is that Oracle is faster because it locks at cell level while SQL Server locks at row level and often escalates to locking an entire page (and and I've heard an Oracle user say SQL Server always locks entire pages).
Then again, such locking must come at a cost?
But honestly, after hearing about how powerful Oracle is supposed to be I'm REALLY VERY disappointed now that I actually have to work with it.
Luckily, this is the point where you are going to tell me I'm wrong and how powerful Oracle really is
[Edit]
Oracle doesn't even handle CASING PROPERLY and it still has a MAXIMUM_OBJECT_NAME_LEN!
Sorry, just thought about it and wanted to include it in this post rant
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Sander Rossel wrote: I've heard that a lot (it's what every Oracle user says), but why though?
One thing I find intriguing about Oracle PL/SQL Packages is that you can do row-level operations with loops (i.e. cursors) but still have set-based performance.
There's this (well-deserved, imo) attitude in SQL Server land that cursors are the work of the devil (entirely plausible), and any code that uses cursors will murder any semblance of performance (seen it myself). So you go through a lot of mental gymnastics to convert row-level operations with a bunch of if/else conditions into a series of set-based queries. So the code now performs the way it should, but it doesn't really *read* the way it should.
That seems to not be the case in Oracle. You can loop with a cursor and do all sorts of imperative coding, but the performance hit is negligible.
Disclaimer: I'm not really a fan of Oracle, it's just that our company uses it to death. We're one of those "50% of the business logic is buried somewhere in the database" type companies. Me? I prefer a dumb datastore and keep my business logic in places that can be reused easily.
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Vark111 wrote: One thing I find intriguing about Oracle PL/SQL Packages is that you can do row-level operations with loops (i.e. cursors) but still have set-based performance. That's really interesting actually.
I never use cursors in SQL Server for that reason.
I've come across them A LOT in Oracle (although Oracle has a few different cursor types I believe).
Then again, databases shouldn't really be doing loops in the first place
I'm going to check that out and add it to the "cool in Oracle" list though
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